Dowter Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Is there a consensus on how long a trigger should be (for example which length SV Infinity trigger insert). I always though that since I have very large hands that I should have the longest trigger insert but while practicing my dry firing it came to me that the longer the trigger - the easier it was to push/jerk the trigger to the left (if you're right handed). The shorter the trigger - the more curled up the finger - the easier to pull the trigger straight back or to the right (which doesn't remotely affect the shot as much as if you pushed it to the left.) I just put my old trigger bow into my gun and already like the shorter trigger pull while dry firing. I'm going to order the shortest trigger insert and try that out. I want to hear what others think of this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted January 28, 2003 Share Posted January 28, 2003 Dowter, It may be that that something "different" is causing you to pay more attention to your trigger. That's a good thing. The shorter trigger may be getting you out of autopilot trigger finger. Are your groups better? SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowter Posted January 29, 2003 Author Share Posted January 29, 2003 I got to live fire with the new trigger today. My .18 splits grouping just became 1/3 as small. It's the trigger, not my concentration. The shorter trigger makes it soooooo much easier to not shank a shot to the left. I'm going to experiment with the shortest trigger insert, then maybe get a blank insert and make a shorter one. I am really really happy with my new discovery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Suber Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 Dowter, I had the same results. I had been using a long trigger for years. When I switched to the short "Enos" type trigger insert, my accuracy improved significantly. The thing that I have noticed is that my finger hits the trigger in the exact same spot every time. I guess it is more consistent for me. Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted January 29, 2003 Share Posted January 29, 2003 I agree. Its one of the reasons I have been using short triggers since, forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 I have to chuckle. I recently decided to try a long match trigger after using a Videki short match trigger since, forever. Now the short trigger is back in the gun. 'Nuff said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dowter Posted January 30, 2003 Author Share Posted January 30, 2003 It's fun to be at a point in a sport where we still don't know everything. Lot's of discoveries to be made. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 I learn stuff all the time, that's why I am on this forum. Even though I have been doing it for a while. It fact you could call be.com the Discovery Channel. (Edited by BSeevers at 9:54 am on Jan. 30, 2003) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted January 30, 2003 Share Posted January 30, 2003 Count me in on the Enos curve trigger. I switched from a medium curved and found home Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted January 31, 2003 Share Posted January 31, 2003 Great Topic! I have been wanting to start a thread on this subject for awhile now. I see so many shooters who have problems with a) accuracy quick splits c) trigger freeze. The people who I have helped who have had the biggest problem have the longest triggers. If you look at the last front sight cover there is a great picture of TJ and his finger and the curve of his finger. You'll benefit from having a shorter trigger where your not pushing side ways but rather straight back with non of your trigger finger touching the frame. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
45Colt Posted February 1, 2003 Share Posted February 1, 2003 I have 1911A1 type pistols. When I hold the pistols, my trigger finger is long enough to rest, slightly bent, on the front side of the trigger guard. If I place my finger on the trigger so that the trigger is under the "moon" of the fingernail, my finger is bent quite a bit. I read that the finger should be level on the trigger in order to get the 'straight back' action on the trigger. For me to have a level finger, I'm pulling with the second bone, approximately half way between the joints. In that position, no other part of my finger touches the frame. The real problem is that I have a hard time getting the finger placed so that I'm neither pushing or pulling the pistol around when activating the trigger, but getting a nice smooth 'straight back' action. The question, then, is: Is there a loooong trigger that would allow first bone contact, or should I continue to fight with finger pacement, or learn to shoot using the second bone? What say you all? Thanks Walt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cats Posted February 2, 2003 Share Posted February 2, 2003 What can you compare the flat portion of the Enos trigger to? In between short curved and medium curved? ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterj Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 took an enos trigger insert, drilled another hole in it and turned it up-side-down. works great for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scooterj Posted February 3, 2003 Share Posted February 3, 2003 took an enos trigger insert, drilled another hole in it and turned it up-side-down. works great for me! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newguy Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 The one downside I've found on a too-short trigger is the tendency to wrap too much of the trigger finger around it (especially in rapid fire) and then steering it to the right (if you're left-handed). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PaulW Posted February 5, 2003 Share Posted February 5, 2003 Ah, but you can adjust for that by training yourself not to stick to much finger in. However you can't adjust with a long trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted February 6, 2003 Share Posted February 6, 2003 Screwing around with the whole idea I really think there's something to it. There's a lot more strength in your finger when it's extended that when it's curled-- try pulling on it at various "trigger lengths" with your other hand. Unless you're ultra-smooth and don't get riled up at all (ala our gracious host, TGO, or a few other gifted/dedicated ones), chances are you mash the trigger just a bit when you pull. Hell, all the greats have probably worked on minimizing the mash even when they're hosing. My guess is that a shorter trigger "builds in" finesse for us mere mortals and about eliminates it for the demigods of the sport. Pretty cool observation, Dowter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheBlack Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Hey NewGuy-- come back to http://www.brianenos.com/cgi-bin/ikonboard...85&start=10 about thumb shape & 1911 safety shape, I want to follow up on your combo safety TIA ___ Doesn't changing triggers on a 1911 require a trigger job to get the new trigger right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newguy Posted February 8, 2003 Share Posted February 8, 2003 Intheblack, see my follow-up post on the other thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcoliver Posted February 9, 2003 Share Posted February 9, 2003 Ignorant question, is this "short trigger" the same length as a GI 1991A1 trigger? Is a videki 3-hole trigger considered a long trigger or are there longer triggers? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheBlack Posted February 10, 2003 Share Posted February 10, 2003 Has anyone done the math to figure out exactly how much more pressure is required with a finger inserted into the trigger guard at, say, a 30 degree angle vs the proper 90 degree angle? A little trigonometry and a force diagram showing the levers oughta do it, but I just don't feel like doing the math right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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