cpty1 Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 In looking at the stage diagrams for the FGNs, stage 16, the A Zone Standards looks tough. Anyone care to predict what score will win the stage in each division - Lim-10, production, and revolver? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 That was the one where I decided I was wrong to think... "Maybe I should go shoot this next year!" Will this stump the superstars? SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 I predict that all 3 divisions will have perfect or near perfect scores. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted July 10, 2002 Author Share Posted July 10, 2002 Wow Shooter Grrl, that's a pretty high expectation for the revolver shooters on those strings with a mandatory reload. I think the stage will also be plenty tough for the production guys being scored minor, with holsters and magazines behind the centerline of the body. Getting the shots off is challenge enough for me, but doing so with good hits and nothing in the hard cover will be a stretch. IMO, any score even pushing or in the low triple digits from the revolver and production guys would be an awesome performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 I wonder how many practice those skills at those distances on a regular basis. Somebody who knows how should post the stage in here...I would If I knew how. I can do a link. That's advanced for me... http://uspsa.org/results/2002/US_Factory_G...e_Standards.pdf (Edited by Steve Anderson at 2:09 pm on July 10, 2002) (Edited by Steve Anderson at 2:18 pm on July 10, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shooter Grrl Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 The only reason I included Revolver is MICULEK :-) TGO can definitely do it L10 or Production, as can Strader, Jerry, Todd and Sevigny now too. Then there's Racaza and Voigt and Burkett - anyone of them could be able to do it. 5 seconds sure seems like enough time to me... I couldn't do it, but I've seen all the top dogs shoot, and I'm convinced this stage is a "non concern" for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 Miculek shot 105 pts on last years 5 sec standards. There were 2 strings with mandatory reloads. My guesses: L10 - 108 - 116 pts Rev - 100 - 110 pts Prod - 95-105 pts Just don't ask how many pts I'll get. Let's just say it will be painful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BSeevers Posted July 10, 2002 Share Posted July 10, 2002 I agree with shootergirl and predict "scrunched forehead" L10 109 points. Production 105 points and Rev(if Jerry M shoots it) 99 points as the winning scores. These guys are good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted July 11, 2002 Author Share Posted July 11, 2002 Storm, even though I shot last years 5 second standards at the Limited Nats I had completely forgotten about that stage. What a memory! The stage design is similar comparing this year to last. Winning scores last year were Limited - 112, Lim-10 - 87, Production - 86, and Revolver - 105. The primary difference in design seems to be, this year, distances are generally closer, but each target is partially obscured with hard cover, where last year the full scoring area on each target was available. That 105 score in revolver was awesome last year. I don't think Lim-10 and Production scores last year are indicative of what the winning scores in those divisions will be this year. Having last year's scores as a barometer, I agree triple digits will be needed to win the stage in each division. I will predict that 85 to 90% of the possible 120 points available will win the stage in each division, with the production division winner having the lower score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 I agree. Last year's scores are not indicative of what will happen with L10 & Production. I think the L10 scores will be very similar to last year's Limited scores. I do think the high production score will be about 10 points lower than the high L10 score. That's simply because each C is -2 pts. If you think about it, Phil would have only shot 104pts (vs. 112) if he was shooting minor. I really don't think the GM's will shoot many more A's because they're shooting minor. After all, it is a 5 second standards. Anybody know if Todd is shooting Production or L10? I noticed he shot Production at the Summer Blast & the Mid-Atlantic Sectional. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Merricks Posted July 11, 2002 Share Posted July 11, 2002 He showed up at last saturdays club match here in NC. What a surprise. He shot production. So if I had to guess it would be that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 I've hear rumors that he is focusing on Production this year. Maybe we'll have more than one Production GM soon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted July 12, 2002 Author Share Posted July 12, 2002 I just noticed in the "top 20" page in the USPSA website that there was only one GM in production division. Master class was plenty busy though. Interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted July 12, 2002 Share Posted July 12, 2002 Yea, and you are only .9% away from all that busyness. (Edited by Singlestack at 5:39 pm on July 12, 2002) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cpty1 Posted July 13, 2002 Author Share Posted July 13, 2002 I hoping before long. That .9 seems more like 90 sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 Well now we know that in reality the stage in L10 was won by Rod Leatham with 103 points, Travis Tomasie in 2nd with 101. In Production Todd Jarrett was in 1st with 86 points (of course Todd was also trying to speedload a Para without a mag funnel and shooting Minor besides) with David Sevigny in 2nd with 70 points. Don't remember about Revolver but I know it was Jerry Miculek with a score lower than the L10/Production winners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBChaffin Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 Actually, the L10 numbers look good but the production figures are a bit off. Todd Jarett won productions with 89 points and David Olhasso was second with 84. Miculek indeed won revolver with 86 points. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 Ah. That's what I get for doing this from memory. Since Sevigny was Todd's only real competition out there, I guess I just forgot about Olhasso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted August 1, 2002 Share Posted August 1, 2002 I asked Ernest about this when it came up the first time, and he was practicing it pretty regularly before the match. He said it was tough for sure, and he really hated the hard cover. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Geez it was hot when I shot this one. No shade on that range. Sweat in eyes, sweat on glasses, sweat on hands. My brain was fried... if they had not summarized the procedure before each string I would have zeroed the stage. I got all my shots in at just the right pace. My left target had the worst hits and my middle target had the best hits, all As or close Cs, IIRC, a distinctive group compared to the first target. (FYI, each time I drew to the left one, and reloaded to the left one.) I noticed similar patterns with other shooters. Mike Voigt berated me for shooting the weak-hand string left to right and said you should shoot weak-handed strong side first moving to weak side targets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Interesting. I've always heard to shoot left to right weak hand only. Assuming you're canting the gun slightly inward - and I do - it makes sense to go with the flow of the recoil instead of fighting it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBChaffin Posted August 2, 2002 Share Posted August 2, 2002 Yeah, I'm with Duane on that one. Left to right weakhand (assuming a right handed shooter) and right to left stronghand. It feels better that way to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted August 3, 2002 Share Posted August 3, 2002 Well I'm not saying he's wrong. Voight is one of the greats. Maybe he knows something we don't. Brian? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBChaffin Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 Right. I'm not saying he's necessarily wrong either, but I've always been told the above method and it does seem to feel better and have a logical reason behind it. I would love to hear some theory about why he does it that way though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Posted August 5, 2002 Share Posted August 5, 2002 OK, I'm not Michael Voigt nor have I had any instruction from him. But, I think the theory is to "pull" the gun when shooting one-handed, rather than pushing it. This would mean starting on the weak side when shooting strong hand only and starting on the strong side when shooting weak hand only. I think you tend to tense your forearm more when "pushing". The pull is more relaxed. Maybe that's his reasoning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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