half inch groups Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 As some of you know I'm into my 1911's. I found this 2011 frame for sale and was wondering what a good price for a New 2011 wide body long dustcover frame might be. any suggestions? Another question, does this frame meet the DOJ CA. approved list? if not, thats ok, I'll build her in fla. and keep her there. just askin the pros. thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 You can't buy a new STI in California from a Dealer.. you can buy one from a Private Party. If you live in Florida, and move to California.. it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half inch groups Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 can I buy the frame out of state, send it to an FFL dealer in CA and register it there? You can't buy a new STI in California from a Dealer.. you can buy one from a Private Party.If you live in Florida, and move to California.. it's fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Cheely Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 You can get a new frame from Shooters Connection for $415 ish shipped. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.Hayden Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 can I buy the frame out of state, send it to an FFL dealer in CA and register it there? What's your state of residence? If your DL is California.. I wouldn't think anyone would sell it to you directly, and no FFL in California is going to take something not on the DOJ list. If you are a California resident: BarSto, SVI, Para are real options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half inch groups Posted October 16, 2006 Author Share Posted October 16, 2006 I'm from Cali too. I work 7 mos. of the year in FL. and want to start shooting comps on the east when I'm there, shoot west when I'm in CA. I just saw the Barsto precision BS-40. for the first time, (never been to a competition) and I must say that they are some smart marketers! If Californians cant get STI's lets just knock off their wide body frame and slide, throw our top notch accessories on her and register her w the DOJ! I feel like steve martin in the jerk... "its a proffit deal".. Apparently I just dont know sh$t from shine-ola about these here raceguns. I bought the frame anyway for $395 shipped. the barsto I can get for $1995.. I'm divin in head first. I like .40's anyway.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 I just saw the Barsto precision BS-40. for the first time, (never been to a competition) and I must say that they are some smart marketers! If Californians cant get STI's lets just knock off their wide body frame and slide, throw our top notch accessories on her and register her w the DOJ! I believe Bar-Sto paid STI for the right to copy the design. Its not cheap to get a gun approved in CA. It wasn't worth it to STI but Bar-Sto sees a market and a profit and we in CA should be greatful. Good for them. As far as transfering a non-list gun from out of state into CA its a no go. If I were you I would just bring the gun you transfered in Flordia with you to CA and not worry about it. Happy shooting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 I don't know how the deal was done but you can be sure that Bar Sto was totally upfront and legit about the business end of this - or any - deal that was/is being done. They have been around a very long time and have a sterling reputation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 As a resident of California, you cannot buy that frame unless via a private party transfer. Period. Now, a solution for you is to establish residency in Florida and then you can buy it, build it, whatever. However, when you come to California, you CANNOT bring hi-caps into the state. Period. So if you plan on building that frame up, it better have a Florida address it's getting sent to and DROS'ed to. If it's going to a Florida address and you're a California resident, that's a no-go too (in the sense of you legaling being able to posess it in California). I know this section of the law VERY well and will be doing my bit to thwart it once I return from Afghanistan. TMC and Richmond crew know of what I speak. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justinwb Posted October 16, 2006 Share Posted October 16, 2006 You can get a new frame from Shooters Connection for $415 ish shipped. That is where I am going to get mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half inch groups Posted October 17, 2006 Author Share Posted October 17, 2006 I commend Bar sto for what they did. I'm buying 2 of those BST40's. one for L-10 and one for open! please dont think I was questioning their methods for a minute. I am totally impressed and excited that i can basicly build a 2011! thats awsome! not to mention the out the box model looks like it would make a great shooter! I'm excited! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Religious Shooter Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I've heard that Bar-Sto frames and slides are made by STI. STI is getting their cut. It's just like Wilson getting their frames from Kimber (or whoever it is now). Outsourcing and all that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 Yup. Bar-sto may well do some final machining and such like (makes it a lot easier to move parts if they aren't a 'gun' yet), but to date, the raw stock comes from STI. That could change if they felt like it and got the CNC code. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 17, 2006 Share Posted October 17, 2006 I don't know how the deal was done but you can be sure that Bar Sto was totally upfront and legit about the business end of this - or any - deal that was/is being done. They have been around a very long time and have a sterling reputation. Merlin, BarSto is the finishing manufacturer of the gun. They built samples and submitted them for "safety" testing. The guns passed the test so the BS-40 is on the list. Nothing tricky, just following the laws. Later, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half inch groups Posted October 19, 2006 Author Share Posted October 19, 2006 Since this thread was created I have been hit up by several members who are willing to sell their limited STI or SV's in socal. What is a reasonable price for a bone stock Edge or an infinity? what about a limcat? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 In California, understand it's a seller's market. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 (edited) .5, The Bar-Sto gun retails for $2100. Dawson sells the stock STI edge for $1685. That gives a 25% markup. I think Dawson give a pretty good discount so the average Ca markup may be higher. Look at the guns in the classified and add 30% and you are probably in the ball park. You may want to contact SV directly. They have a gun on the list. Edited October 19, 2006 by ChuckS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 I think they call it the Roberti-roos assault weapons ban it includes rifles, shotguns and pistols. Just because a pistol is not on the Approved list does not mean it can't be transfered private party. I do not condone this activity or do I participate in it or do I even live in Kalifornia. I just get irritated because I know it is illegal the people doing it know its illegal they did it any way. And no one will do anything to discourage it or stop it. Gunther, This thread has been drifting though a few subjects. Let me try to sort it out: 1) Importing handguns/ handgun frames into Ca. They must be on the approved list. I think the only real exceptions are new residents bring them in or the immediate family thing. 2) PTP handgun transfers WITHIN Ca. If the gun is legally in Ca it can be transfered to another private party through an FFL. The gun does not need to be on the approved list. 3) The AW list is a whole nother can of worms. If you owned a gun on the list prior to a certain date (I think there are actullly 2 dates depending on what kind of gun) you had to register the gun or get rid of it. After that date, you could not buy the gun by any method. (I know some guys have been playing some game with "off list" receivers but I don't know how that turned out). Hope this helps! Chuck PS: Hi Rich, how ya doin? Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and if you use any of the information above you may wind up having a close personal relationship with Wesley Snipes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 19, 2006 Share Posted October 19, 2006 We don't want anything that even looks like it might be illegal on these forums. Somebody let me know which posts could even be questioned and I'll delete them. Thanks, Kyle F. Forum Administrator [edit: questionable posts and their replies have been deleted.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half inch groups Posted October 21, 2006 Author Share Posted October 21, 2006 Since this thread was created I have been hit up by several members who are willing to sell their limited STI or SV's in socal. What is a reasonable price for a bone stock Edge or an infinity? what about a limcat? anyone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMC Posted October 21, 2006 Share Posted October 21, 2006 Since this thread was created I have been hit up by several members who are willing to sell their limited STI or SV's in socal. What is a reasonable price for a bone stock Edge or an infinity? what about a limcat? anyone? Like it has been said, it's a seller market in CA and you can't compare it to other states. Pay what the seller wants or don't buy, simple as that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half inch groups Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 Like it has been said, it's a seller market in CA and you can't compare it to other states. Pay what the seller wants or don't buy, simple as that. thats wonderful! but SVI's are available in CA so that doesnt exactly put them in your catagory, and I just want to know what a hard chromed, infinity with a trigger job and a fiber optic site with 5000 rds through it maintained very well might fetch. thanks! then the next question would be, if you had a choice between a new BAR-STO BS .40 and and the gun I mentioned above, which gun would you all prefer? the infinity or the Bar Sto? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half inch groups Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 Like it has been said, it's a seller market in CA and you can't compare it to other states. Pay what the seller wants or don't buy, simple as that. thats wonderful! but SVI's are available in CA so that doesnt exactly put them in your catagory, and I just want to know what a hard chromed, infinity with a trigger job and a fiber optic site with 5000 rds through it maintained very well might fetch. thanks! then the next question would be, if you had a choice between a new BAR-STO BS .40 and and the gun I mentioned above, which gun would you all prefer? the infinity or the Bar Sto? bump.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted October 22, 2006 Share Posted October 22, 2006 (edited) With those two as my options, the Bar-Sto. Why? The Bar-Sto is new, it's a California gun and because Bar-Sto is trying to do what's right and get a gun for US into the state. Rich ETA: Sometimes it's not about the $$$. Sometimes it's about doing what's right and spending a couple of extra bucks on a company that has supported this sport since the beginning and are great people too. Edited October 22, 2006 by uscbigdawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
half inch groups Posted October 22, 2006 Author Share Posted October 22, 2006 With those two as my options, the Bar-Sto. Why? The Bar-Sto is new, it's a California gun and because Bar-Sto is trying to do what's right and get a gun for US into the state.Rich ETA: Sometimes it's not about the $$$. Sometimes it's about doing what's right and spending a couple of extra bucks on a company that has supported this sport since the beginning and are great people too. Isnt doing whats right often times buying the the gun that is rarely available to US that make them worth what they are today and keepin em... THEN supporting that company willing to go the extra mile to get US the gun approved, for those who cant find or afford an S_I? I'm not bragging, but I make enough money to own both and was really wondering what an infinity hard chromed w 5000' rds through her might go for. the order is in for the BS-40. I couldnt resist. anyone with a guesstimate of what a hard chromed infinity w a trigger job, and fiber optic site w 5000+ rds through her is a decent price to pay? these answers usually just a display a dollar ($) sign with a numerical amount on them (12345). Why is this always so hard? can anyone just answer the question? not trying to be rude or condescending but I ask 2 questions, usually only one gets answered, and there's a debate over the question.. I love the info I get here, and I appreciate all who try to help, but damn people, everyone here is so confrontational! is this whats it like at the comps? I feel like i'm sometimes just talking to cops on the job.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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