IPSC Supercop Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 Kellyn or anyone else, I'm not very knowledgable about shotguns and a friend asked me a question. He has a 12gauge shotgun that is a normal shotgun barrel, a smoothbore. He has rifled shotgun slugs he would like to use for hunting. He asked me if he needed a rifled shotgun bore to shoot the rifled shotgun slugs. I told him I wasn't sure, but I thought he probably would knowing the slugs are rifled, he would probably need a rifled bore. Again, I was just assuming, but told him I would ask and find out. Anyone know for sure? Kevin/IPSC Supercop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 I think if you have one, you don't need, nor do you want, the other. (Edited by Flexmoney at 6:54 pm on Aug. 10, 2001) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPSC Supercop Posted August 10, 2001 Author Share Posted August 10, 2001 Flexmoney, I'm not sure I understand. He wants to shoot the rifled slugs for hunting or otherwise, but he has a smoothbore standard shotgun barrel (12 gauge). Does he need to have a rifled shotgun barrel to shoot the slugs? or at least shoot them accurately? Kevin/IPSC Supercop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted August 10, 2001 Share Posted August 10, 2001 Kevin, The slugs he has will work in either. Sounds like the regular Foster style slugs. They have little fin type grooves on the side that spin them to stabilize. Inside 75 yds. The are pretty accurate. They are just the run of the mill Fed. or Remington slugs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcarr Posted August 11, 2001 Share Posted August 11, 2001 Quote: from Chriss Grube on 4:33 pm on Aug. 10, 2001 Kevin, They have little fin type grooves on the side that spin them to stabilize. Inside 75 yds. The are pretty accurate. They are just the run of the mill Fed. or Remington slugs. The "rifling" on Foster slugs is really to allow it to squeeze through the tighter chokes. A Foster slug is stable in flight not because it spins, but because it has more weight forward than back, like a badminton birdie. It is solid on the top and hollowed out on the bottom. A smoothbore shotgun with Foster slugs that it likes should do about 6" at 100yds. The phrase "it likes" is important: every individual shotgun barrel is unique, and different barrels like different ammunition. Some ammunition may tend to shoot better on average with many different barrels, but there is no way around experimenting with your particular barrel. This observation is usually made regarding shot, but also applies to slugs. Lincoln (Edited by lcarr at 9:13 pm on Aug. 10, 2001) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Kline Posted August 11, 2001 Share Posted August 11, 2001 Ok, he said the slugs have rifling on them instead of little fins. Does this make a difference. Also, he now says the shotgun is a 20 gauge, does this matter? Also, does he need a special type of choke or anything or not? It is a semi auto 20 gauge, he thinks a 1100 series. How does he tell what type of choke it has if any at all? Again, sorry for the stupid questions, but I don't follow shotgun that much. I probably will now though, it's started to get me interested. Kevin/IPSC Supercop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted August 12, 2001 Share Posted August 12, 2001 Kevin, If he takes the choke tube out of the end it will be marked on the side. If it doesn't have tubes the barrel should be marked. I've never heard of a slug with rifling on it. I think he has the regular foster style and he is confusing the fin for rifling. Asked him what brand and exactly what it has on the box. Then take the gun away from him before he hurts himself. Is he sure the shotgun is a 20 and not a 12. He can load 20's in a 12 with dangerous results! Remington makes the 1100 in 12 and 20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 12, 2001 Share Posted August 12, 2001 OK, I live in Ohio. Deer hunting here is ONLY with a shotgun or (or muzzleloader/arrow). NO RIFLES. It is common knowledge around here that you only shoot rifled slugs in a smoothbore. You don't shoot them in the newer, rifled barrels. I'll be shooting a match today where the guys will have all the answers. I'll double check that answer with the guys there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chriss Grube Posted August 12, 2001 Share Posted August 12, 2001 Kyle that is for accuracy. We shoot the rifled slugs in smoothbores for police Quals. and head shoots at 50 are easy. He can use those slugs in either a smoothbore or rifled barrel. If he buys the rifled barrel to Sabot type give outstanding groups. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kellyn Posted August 13, 2001 Share Posted August 13, 2001 Don't know. I've never shot a slug (or anything else)through a rifled shotgun barrel. I usually compete w/ remington reduced recoil slugs in a smooth remington or benelli barrel. The slugs are surprisingly accurate in the remington barrel. Head shots at 50 would be no problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted August 13, 2001 Share Posted August 13, 2001 The skinny on barrels; If all he wants is accuracy with slugs, for hunting, go with a rifled barrel. He can shoot whatever slug he wants out of it. Foster slugs in a rifled barrel will shoot accurately, but will lead faster than sabots. Every barrel is different, and he will have to experiment to find what the barrel likes. If he goes with a rifled barrel, he cannot use birdshot or buckshot. The spin destroys the pattern, and beyond a few yards is useless. Smoothbore barrels can deliver good groups, sometimes as good as the average rifled barrel, with slugs. However, he cannot use sabots in a smoothbore. They must have a rifled bore for stability. Using a sabot in a smoothbore in almost all cases ended up with a "knuckleball" sabot going downrage sideways. If you find a barrel delivers good or better accuracy regardless of ammo brand or type, keep it and do not loan it. For all others, even changing production lots of the same brand can alter accuracy. For competition, I have had very good luck using the Lyman cast slug loaded into Remington cases, for accuracy and low recoil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted August 13, 2001 Share Posted August 13, 2001 I didn't get the question asked at the match yesterday. We had to deal with some flash flood problems. I am in the same camp as Kellyn. I have never, personally, shot a rifled shotgun barrel. I also agree with Kellyn about the accuracy of shooting rifled slugs out of a smooth bore. From what I understand, that is the way to go. My take on the rifled barrels is that they shoot the sabot slugs with super-duper accuracy...but, they lack knock-down power (on deer). I am far from being an expert on this subject. So, take everything I say with a grain of salt. I don't know what kind of results a person would get shooting the rifled slugs out of a rifled barrel. I would think that the rifled slug would work against the rifled barrel and it would destabilize (the bullet) to some degree. But, if Chriss G. has shot them and had good results, then they must be O.K. ----------------- But, hey. We have got a little off the topic of the original question. Yes, you can shoot rifled slugs out of a smoothbore. That is what they were made for, and they work very well. Yes, you can shoot the same setup in a twenty gauge. My deer gun is a Remington 870 (pump gun) in twenty gauge. I have used it since I started hunting (coming up on twenty years). It has a smoothbore "slug" barrel (Which means it is a short barrel with post and notch sights.) What you cannot do is shoot a twenty gauge round in a twelve gauge gun. Twenty is for twenty, twelve is for twelve. Like Chriss said...if your buddy isn't sure, then put some shackles on him until you are positive he knows exactly what to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IPSC Supercop Posted August 14, 2001 Author Share Posted August 14, 2001 Chriss, Flexmoney, Kellyn, Patrick Sweeney, I wanted to thank all of you for your time and help. Also for the laughs about shackling him and taking it away from himself before he hurts somebody. I laughed so hard I almost urinated on myself. I will look at the gun personally and see what is going on, but I do have the rules straight thanks to you guys. Again, thanks a million for the answers. Thats why I love this place, so much help and assistance from REAL SHOOTERS who actually know what they are talking about. Kevin/IPSC Supercop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwishooter Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 Kellyn or anyone else, I'm not very knowledgable about shotguns and a friend asked me a question. He has a 12gauge shotgun that is a normal shotgun barrel, a smoothbore. He has rifled shotgun slugs he would like to use for hunting. He asked me if he needed a rifled shotgun bore to shoot the rifled shotgun slugs. I told him I wasn't sure, but I thought he probably would knowing the slugs are rifled, he would probably need a rifled bore. Again, I was just assuming, but told him I would ask and find out. Anyone know for sure? Kevin/IPSC Supercop shoot the slugs through either barrell, no harm will come from it, they will be that loose of a fit in either, i cast 1oz slugs with the lee mould, they go in a regular plastic wad, shot through a rifled barrell the wad takes the spin,still working on the perfect load, slower powders show the best results so far, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sc0 Posted February 17, 2008 Share Posted February 17, 2008 It is my intention to do the same, shoot rifled slugs out of a smothbore barrel. I would HIGHLY recommend changing the choke tube out to cylinder or improved cylinder as any other might cause complications. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Les Snyder Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 Kevin bring it to Ruskin Sunday Les Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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