surfmaster Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 Does anyone use an Eotech sight on their open shotguns? How does it compare to a regular dot sight? It appears to be perfect for shotgunning since all you need to do is place the ring of the Eotech (or part of the ring) on your pepper popper or round plate and fire. You don't have to locate a small dot. For precision slug shots, you would use the 1 moa dot. How does it compare to a JPoint or Docter? I look forward to hearing your comments. Thanks in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxshooter Posted July 16, 2006 Share Posted July 16, 2006 I have Eotech's on two AR-15s. I think they would be to bulky for a shotgun and in the way when reloadng. Just my opinion. If you try one let me know how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinistralRifleman Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 it would also likely sit too high for consistent cheek weld, unless you use a stock in line with the bore or a big cheek piece. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uscbigdawg Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 (edited) Way too bulky on a shotgun. If I were to use an electronic sight, it'd be a JPoint or a Doctor. Keep in mind you're not shooting a small projectile of lead, you have a large disc of lead (obviously depending on your choke). That being said, if say you're shooting 1-1/8 oz., between #6-8's with an IC choke (and standard wad) your pattern at say 15 yards is probably close to 8-12" in diameter (if not larger...I haven't patterned in a LONG time). If you're using Spreaders, double that. The point? From the standpoint of just accomplishing the shot it's not needed. I agree with you on the use of the dot for slug shots, but 4 or 8 MOA is lot nicer to pick up than 1 (even with a 65 MOA ring). In the end, look at what's winning the matches. A lot of times, you'll see the top shooters in the Open division not even using an electronic sight and if so, mostly for the occasional long (+ 50 yards) slug shot. I'd concentrate on fitting the shotgun to you and practicing reloading before worrying about what dot to use. You need that shotgun to slide into your shoulder and be on target every time (Bennie Cooley goes into this a lot in his class as well as stressing the importance of reloading). Hope that helped. Rich Edited July 17, 2006 by uscbigdawg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 Anything bigger than the Jpoint/docter IMO is too much on a 3 gun shotgun. There is so much more work done with your head on the gun shooting the rib than what you use a dot for. Even though most of our targets are stationary the gun is always moving. For this I have found I shoot much better with the rib at almost everything in three gun. Now it would be nice to have a "little" sight on those 100yd slug shots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfmaster Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 Hi Everyone, Thanks for your comments. I plan to mount an optic, either a Tasco PDP4 or an Eotech, on my shotgun. It's a magazine-fed Saiga 12, which is an AK-47 shotgun. With this new information, is the Eotech (and Tasco) still too large? Thanks in advance for your suggestions and comments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L9X25 Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 (edited) Surf, Dispite all the comments to the contrary, I HAVE a Holosight mounted on my 1100 and have none of the problems that they predict. It is perfectly in view with a casual cheek weld and the ring makes it very easy to shoot anything but the farthest/smallest target. If supreme accuracy is needed, beyond extrapolating the circle, the 1 min dot can be quickly used. Moving targets are easy to track using the circle. I also use an idential scope on my carbine. I have no idea if the placement on your gun will make any of the other factors come into play, I can only tell you how it works on my 1100. Good luck, Leo Edited July 17, 2006 by L9X25 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted July 17, 2006 Share Posted July 17, 2006 A plain V.R. barrel is the fastest, that being said, I have put a doctor sight mounted low on a saga & it works good with a low sight picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfmaster Posted July 17, 2006 Author Share Posted July 17, 2006 Hi Benny, Thanks for chiming in. Did you mount the Docter using the standard side mount or did you mill it into the receiver? Please advise. Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 +1, 2 & 3 on the way too bulky and way too high thing. I went half a season with an OKO high mounted about like an EO would be and even though it is smaller than an EO, it was "In The Way" bigtime as far as view goes and the high/casual cheek weld sucked hind teat! I now run a melted in JPoint with 8 MOA dot and a pair of 2016 batteries in it. This makes a nice big fat bright dot that is right there with a normal shotgun mount and cheek weld. This makes shooting a regular shotgun with just a bead a breeze to deal with. Get used to that high cheek weld with an EO and a regular shotgun will be a PITA to handle by reflex ;-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 George, What mount/setup are you using on the JPoint? is it JP's mount and what mods are needed for the two battery setup? Thanks, Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 I am using the JP on bbl mount (did it myself though). I cut away a chunk of vent rib and glued the mount on with high temp epoxy. The dot sits right where a bead woiuld be now. I mounted mine out near the end of the handguard on the bbl to keep it low and out of the way when doing the flip-n-burn ;-) The battery change needs no mods. The JPoint normally uses one CR-2032 battery. The CR-2016 is half the thickness of a CR-2032 so two fit right in and double the voltage :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Thanks, George. If you get a chance I would love to see closeup or two of the mount and if possible a shot down the rib. Take care, Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Craig, look me up in Albany next week. You can shoot it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 (edited) Geoff, I wish I could. I am not going to be able to make it to A1 this year. Vacation draw didn't go so hot for me. Are you going to be at RM3G by any chance? Maybe we can hook up there. Thanks for the help it gets me going in the right direction. Craig Edited July 18, 2006 by smokshwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benny hill Posted July 18, 2006 Share Posted July 18, 2006 Where the rear sight dovetailed in, I machined a flat, drilled & tapped 2 holes & mounted it there. It sets low so to get a good cheek weld. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markO Posted July 19, 2006 Share Posted July 19, 2006 (edited) I have a JP on my SAIGA work great with my 10 round mags , Eotech is big Edited July 19, 2006 by markO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP5_guy Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Thanks, George. If you get a chance I would love to see closeup or two of the mount and if possible a shot down the rib. Take care, Craig Here's the JPoint on my 1100: I've tried a friend's 1100 with an Eotech, and aftr that experience (and watching her shoot with it), I've decided the JPoint/Optima is the only way to dot an 1100/Benelli. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokshwn Posted July 21, 2006 Share Posted July 21, 2006 Thanks so much for the pics! You guys rock. Craig Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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