looking4reloadingdeals Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 I bought a used TSO (40 ca) and it came with CZC base pads, and I’m assuming CZC springs and followers as well. I have been having lots of problems with the followers in these mags. They do not sin in the magazine correctly and when the gun is empty the slide catches on the follower and rips it out of the magazine, thus jamming up the gun and forcing me to forcibly pull the magazine out of the gun. I tried to call CZC but they apparently don’t have phone support for stuff like this and their automated message said to send an email which I did last Tuesday/Wednesday with no response yet so I figured I would reach out here. this is what the followers look like in the magazine, which is obviously incorrect. I can take a picture of how the slide gets caught on the follower if needed. IV never had to tune mags before so I’m not sure where to start and couldn’t find anything for this, only rounds nosediving. Any help is greatly appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 CZC refuses to tell customers up front they have to modify the springs to work in TS 40 mags. The springs are designed to "work" in ALL CZ75 and require some modification to work in TS/CM mags. Take the top loop of the spring and bend it to one side until the follower stops sticking out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking4reloadingdeals Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, 858 said: CZC refuses to tell customers up front they have to modify the springs to work in TS 40 mags. The springs are designed to "work" in ALL CZ75 and require some modification to work in TS/CM mags. Take the top loop of the spring and bend it to one side until the follower stops sticking out. Thanks, I’ll try that on my lunch break today. Best part about this work from home crap haha. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 33 minutes ago, 858 said: CZC refuses to tell customers up front they have to modify the springs to work in TS 40 mags. The springs are designed to "work" in ALL CZ75 and require some modification to work in TS/CM mags. Take the top loop of the spring and bend it to one side until the follower stops sticking out. I did this on the CZC spring/follower combo on my CM big stick in addition to crimping the magazine tubes’ feed lips. Knowing what I know now, I’ll stick with the grams spring/follower combo for less aggravation in tuning them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 minutes ago, George16 said: I did this on the CZC spring/follower combo on my CM big stick in addition to crimping the magazine tubes’ feed lips. Knowing what I know now, I’ll stick with the grams spring/follower combo for less aggravation in tuning them. Two years ago I left a review on CZC's site mentioning the springs need bending to work and they never put the review up. They probably just overlooked it. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 9 minutes ago, 858 said: Two years ago I left a review on CZC's site mentioning the springs need bending to work and they never put the review up. They probably just overlooked it. lol. Overlooked? I don’t think so . Its not too hard to type that into the description. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 56 minutes ago, 858 said: Two years ago I left a review on CZC's site mentioning the springs need bending to work and they never put the review up. They probably just overlooked it. lol. A member of the club who used to shoot at a good level was a Facebook friend of a pro shooter from the CZ group .after reporting to them about some defects and embarrassing malfunctions in the weapon was blocked forever. during one season he cracked 3 shadow 2 frames 3 years ago he started to shoot 1911 .now he don't has any problems. cz knows about all problems in their guns but they don't want to hear about this and They deny everything. smart company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 46 minutes ago, yigal said: A member of the club who used to shoot at a good level was a Facebook friend of a pro shooter from the CZ group .after reporting to them about some defects and embarrassing malfunctions in the weapon was blocked forever. during one season he cracked 3 shadow 2 frames 3 years ago he started to shoot 1911 .now he don't has any problems. cz knows about all problems in their guns but they don't want to hear about this and They deny everything. smart company. Here is someone that doesn't know the difference between CZC and CZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yigal Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, 858 said: Here is someone that doesn't know the difference between CZC and CZ. yes .CZ in EU. CZC far away on some island. And I do not know if there is any connection between them Edited October 26, 2020 by yigal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking4reloadingdeals Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 Ok... so after about 30 minutes of bending and taking the spring apart 10 times I finally got one of my mags to work without stripping the follower out on an empty chamber. There still is no lock open on an empty chamber but I didn’t expect that to work anyways. I have grams followers and Hennings base pads on my S2 mags that I have never had a problem with. The next time I need to buy springs and followers I will 100% be going with grams. Just not worth selling these to buy the grams at this point. I do like the way the CZC base pads come off compared to the hennings, but don’t love that they aren’t “toolless”, so it’s a give and take. does anyone know if the grams followers and springs work well with the CZC basepads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking4reloadingdeals Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 34 minutes ago, yigal said: yes .CZ in EU. CZC far away on some island. And I do not know if there is any connection between them CZ is the firearm manufacturer, CZC is a completely separate custom shop that has absolutely nothing to do with CZ except that they specialize in parts for their guns Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 36 minutes ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: Ok... so after about 30 minutes of bending and taking the spring apart 10 times I finally got one of my mags to work without stripping the follower out on an empty chamber. There still is no lock open on an empty chamber but I didn’t expect that to work anyways. I have grams followers and Hennings base pads on my S2 mags that I have never had a problem with. The next time I need to buy springs and followers I will 100% be going with grams. Just not worth selling these to buy the grams at this point. I do like the way the CZC base pads come off compared to the hennings, but don’t love that they aren’t “toolless”, so it’s a give and take. does anyone know if the grams followers and springs work well with the CZC basepads? Bending the springs shouldn't be that difficult. Just bend the top loop radially to the wire. Frankly, the Grams kits kind of suck too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking4reloadingdeals Posted October 26, 2020 Author Share Posted October 26, 2020 1 hour ago, 858 said: Bending the springs shouldn't be that difficult. Just bend the top loop radially to the wire. Frankly, the Grams kits kind of suck too. I may have gotten a little OCD while doing it lol. But, I got them all working for now. Let just hope they stay like that for a while. Hopefully they won’t require constant tuning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted October 26, 2020 Share Posted October 26, 2020 5 hours ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: does anyone know if the grams followers and springs work well with the CZC basepads? Yes, they work together. I have them on my TSO mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking4reloadingdeals Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 hours ago, George16 said: Yes, they work together. I have them on my TSO mags. Thanks for your wealth of CZ knowledge as usual George Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George16 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 21 minutes ago, looking4reloadingdeals said: Thanks for your wealth of CZ knowledge as usual George You’re welcome. Glad to help out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muncie21 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 On 10/26/2020 at 1:39 PM, looking4reloadingdeals said: CZ is the firearm manufacturer, CZC is a completely separate custom shop that has absolutely nothing to do with CZ except that they specialize in parts for their guns The information you posted is very well known by Yigal. You need to understand his humor/sarcasm to get the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
looking4reloadingdeals Posted October 27, 2020 Author Share Posted October 27, 2020 Just now, muncie21 said: The information you posted is very well known by Yigal. You need to understand his humor/sarcasm to get the joke. ahh makes sense. I was confused that someone on here didn't have that knowledge. Makes more sense now haha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
858 Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 2 minutes ago, muncie21 said: The information you posted is very well known by Yigal. You need to understand his humor/sarcasm to get the joke. Do you mean trolling? He's been posting the same tired stories for years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheby Posted October 27, 2020 Share Posted October 27, 2020 (edited) Just use the Grams stuff. I was in the same situation and went through all that modification jazz. Eventually I threw everything away, bought the Grams springs and followers and forgot about it. Edited October 27, 2020 by cheby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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