MET Posted August 28, 2017 Share Posted August 28, 2017 20 hours ago, 4n2t0 said: You should determine your own OAL. e.g. I load to an OAL of 1.135 for a Ruger SR9/9E, M&P, and Glocks but that length will not work in a Shadow or PPQ. TG is by no means clean but it shouldn't induce FTF's or FTE's, especially at 70 rounds. I shoot over 300 rounds twice a week and my firearms become very dirty but are 100% reliable. Many powders will be dirty when you're barely making PF. I don't think you have a dirty powder problem, something else is wrong. What velocity are you getting over the chrono? My light powder charge might be my issues with extreme dirtiness. I run 3.2gr of TG, 147gr CamPro, CCI primers, COL @1.135" and crimp at .376". This load is very accurate out of my GrandPower K100 Target that is regularly maintained as far as springs and stuff. Will load up 3.5gr of TG, 147gr CamPro, CCI primers, COL @1.120" and crimp at .376" tomorrow night to test on Wed. The pistol is used in service pistol and PPC matches that don't have a power factor limit so I have never tested them on a chrono. (plus I don't have one lol) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted August 29, 2017 Share Posted August 29, 2017 (edited) On 28/08/2017 at 6:22 PM, MET said: My light powder charge might be my issues with extreme dirtiness. I run 3.2gr of TG, 147gr CamPro, CCI primers, COL @1.135" and crimp at .376". This load is very accurate out of my GrandPower K100 Target that is regularly maintained as far as springs and stuff. Will load up 3.5gr of TG, 147gr CamPro, CCI primers, COL @1.120" and crimp at .376" tomorrow night to test on Wed. The pistol is used in service pistol and PPC matches that don't have a power factor limit so I have never tested them on a chrono. (plus I don't have one lol) Your failures have nothing to do with the loads dirtiness. I used to own a GP K100 and can verify zero issues with Titegroup in that firearm. Are you just throwing darts when it comes to OAL? Or are you actually measuring the max OAL for your Grand Power? Always determine your own OAL. When it comes to data you're in luck, I've done the work for you, lol. FIREARM BRASS PRIMER POWDER LOAD PROJECTILE OAL AVG ES SD PF TEMP Ruger SR9/9E Mixed Fiocchi Titegroup 3.2gr CamPro 147gr RNFP 1.135 834 30 10 122 27° C Ruger SR9/9E Mixed Fiocchi Titegroup 3.4gr CamPro 147gr RNFP 1.135 865 18 5 127 27° C Ruger SR9/9E Mixed Fiocchi Titegroup 3.6gr CamPro 147gr RNFP 1.135 900 8 2 132 23° C As you can see the projectile is only travelling at approximately 834 fps with 3.2gr of Titegroup but at around 3.6gr you hit the magic velocity number. Edited August 30, 2017 by 4n2t0 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MET Posted August 30, 2017 Share Posted August 30, 2017 Thanks for the info 4n2t0. Yes I physically measured the OAL with the CamPro's in my K100. I take it 900fps is ideal for this bullet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted August 31, 2017 Share Posted August 31, 2017 14 hours ago, MET said: Thanks for the info 4n2t0. Yes I physically measured the OAL with the CamPro's in my K100. I take it 900fps is ideal for this bullet. Not specifically for the CamPro but the 147gr projectile in general. I find that groups seem to tighten up at approximately 900+ fps and rarely are the most accurate loads obtained at the minimum charge weight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs62 Posted September 1, 2017 Share Posted September 1, 2017 Here's my 147gr load data for several powders that I use with my STI 9mm Trojan: OAL 1.150", CCI500 primer, Berry's 147gr PRN Silhouette Avg Velocity 4.3 886 4.5 929 Preferred 4.7 976 4.9 1,035 AutoComp Avg Velocity 3.6 823 3.8 854 4.0 904 Preferred CFE Pistol Avg Velocity 3.8 889 4.0 935 Preferred 4.2 967 4.4 998 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted September 5, 2017 Author Share Posted September 5, 2017 cs62, Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted September 15, 2017 Author Share Posted September 15, 2017 On 8/27/2017 at 5:31 PM, MET said: What did you COL did you end up going with? Do either of your guns get very dirty after around 70rds with your TG loads? I run a similar load but find it extremely dirty. I tested on Friday with a totally clean pistol and started to to FTF's and one FTE at around 70rds. Not to ideal when I go to shoot a 120 round match. Is the OAL and COL the same, my OALK - 1.12' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4n2t0 Posted September 15, 2017 Share Posted September 15, 2017 17 hours ago, Orbit said: Is the OAL and COL the same... Yes... COL = Cartridge Overall Length OAL = Overall Length You'll even see it referred to as COAL sometimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orbit Posted September 28, 2017 Author Share Posted September 28, 2017 Friends, Just shoot this afternoon and performed the chrono. I passed all the 3 pistols for 132pf: CZ Shadow 1 & 2, STI Spartan, all 9mm OAL - 1.112" Crimp - .378" Powder - 3.3 TG Projectile - 147g I will try to lower down the powder a bit and increase the OAL to 1.125". Now, I am in the process of determining the best recoil spring for the above pistols. Right now for CZ shadow 1 & 2 are both in 11 lbs and the STI Spartan 5 in 10lbs. Hoping to hear from you friends. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted October 2, 2017 Share Posted October 2, 2017 On 8/30/2017 at 9:19 PM, 4n2t0 said: Not specifically for the CamPro but the 147gr projectile in general. I find that groups seem to tighten up at approximately 900+ fps and rarely are the most accurate loads obtained at the minimum charge weight. Spin the bullet faster, and it flies straighter. Shocking. Steel falls more assertively, the gun shoots more accurately, and runs more reliably. These are the reasons I like ammo at 133-135 power factor more than powder puff 125.001 stuff. Espcially when you don’t actually shoot the slightly lighter ammo any faster, contrary to what you want to believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avenida Posted November 17, 2018 Share Posted November 17, 2018 (edited) in a pickle here looking for reloading data for CAMPRO 147 and N320, need to reload some for tomorrow and my current load seems off and want to make sure I have the right ammo. CAMPRO 147 and N320 Thanks Edited November 17, 2018 by Avenida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc82Much Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Great topic, thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MsDV8 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 On 8/22/2017 at 7:14 PM, Butterpuc said: 3.2 N320 That’s a super soft shooting load in my Shadow 2, casing barely clears the ejection port, usually rolls off the back of my hand and lands at my feet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOGRIDER Posted March 13, 2019 Share Posted March 13, 2019 (edited) On 11/17/2018 at 5:47 PM, Avenida said: in a pickle here looking for reloading data for CAMPRO 147 and N320, need to reload some for tomorrow and my current load seems off and want to make sure I have the right ammo. CAMPRO 147 and N320 Thanks Avenida: Not familiar with the CamPro 147...........however, I was shooting a Montana Gold 147 CMJ on top of 3.6g of N320 with an OAL of 1.142 for a 133.48PF. Avg for 10 shot group was 908fps. This was out of both a Glock G17G4 and a G34G4. Excellent performance and accuracy! VV has a ton of reloading data available on their site: https://www.vihtavuori.com/reloading-data/handgun-reloading/?cartridge=89 Edited March 13, 2019 by HOGRIDER update Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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