philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) I saw a youtube video today which point out the illegality of Titan hammer on Ltd Pro in IDPA SSP division, here is the rule I found from the 2017 IDPA rule book, IDPA Rule 8.2.1.2 section C. Magazine releases, slide stops, safety levers, de-cocking levers, hammers, and triggers, that are stock on one SSP legal firearm may be used on another SSP legal firearm from the same manufacturer provided they are drop in replacements. Parts in this list must come factory installed on standard production firearms. Special parts that are available installed only from a factory custom shop are not eligible in SSP. From what I understand, this rule kicks out both Delta and Titan hammer, possibly other extreme parts as well. What do you guys think? Edited February 21, 2017 by philippshen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbu Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Xtreme parts come from the factory in the xtreme pistols. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 3 minutes ago, johnbu said: Xtreme parts come from the factory in the xtreme pistols. but none of the xtreme pistols are SSP legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeOfToren Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I am not an expert in CZ parts, but if a Shadow uses a factory hammer manufactured for a non-SSP legal model, then the Shadow is illegal too, correct? I guess the key is that you have to pin point the specific hammer to the specific model that is SSP legal. It can be hard... I know people shoot their Shadow in SSP with CGW hammer, comp hammer etc, but I never know if those hammers are from an SSP legal CZ pistol or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 4 minutes ago, JusticeOfToren said: I am not an expert in CZ parts, but if a Shadow uses a factory hammer manufactured for a non-SSP legal model, then the Shadow is illegal too, correct? I guess the key is that you have to pin point the specific hammer to the specific model that is SSP legal. It can be hard... I know people shoot their Shadow in SSP with CGW hammer, comp hammer etc, but I never know if those hammers are from an SSP legal CZ pistol or not. You are right. However, there are actually few shadows from CZUB that came with comp hammer installed, namely shadow line and shadow orange, since we rarel see those pistols on the market, I am assuming they made this on purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hav3n Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Yes. Not SSP legal since there are no guns from Tanfoglio that are SSP legal that come with the Titan hammer installed. The guns that have the Titan hammer are not SSP legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeOfToren Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 What about CZC hammers on Shadow? Are they SSP legal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeOfToren Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, hav3n said: Yes. Not SSP legal since there are no guns from Tanfoglio that are SSP legal that come with the Titan hammer installed. The guns that have the Titan hammer are not SSP legal. I heard Stock 1 Extreme is SSP legal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 10 hours ago, JusticeOfToren said: What about CZC hammers on Shadow? Are they SSP legal? I believe CZUB makes all CZC comp hammers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 10 hours ago, JusticeOfToren said: I heard Stock 1 Extreme is SSP legal I checked Tanfoglio 2017 catalog, there is no Stock 1 extreme nor limited pro http://www.tanfoglio.it/pdf/catalogo.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 "Don't ask, don't tell." You asked. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) 13 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said: "Don't ask, don't tell." You asked. Oops. The only way to make it legal "again," from what I understand, is to create a 43oz stock III extreme. I know you can do it. Edited February 21, 2017 by philippshen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MemphisMechanic Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 Strip the sights and safeties off... fill the grips with helium... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JusticeOfToren Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I checked Tanfoglio 2017 catalog, there is no Stock 1 extreme nor limited pro[emoji20] http://www.tanfoglio.it/pdf/catalogo.pdfYou have not checked the unica line that Tanfo is introducing 2017 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 6 minutes ago, MemphisMechanic said: Strip the sights and safeties off... fill the grips with helium... Here you go! Why not remove grips completely, no rule said you can't shoot without grips You can also put polymer guide rod in it, punch holes on the magazine tube, remove the rear sight, However, we still have another problem here, titan hammer does not come installed on any factory pistols yet (current extreme line pistols in the States), but they will be in the future according to the Tanfoglio 2017 Catalog, I guess will just have to wait then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 2 minutes ago, JusticeOfToren said: You have not checked the unica line that Tanfo is introducing 2017 Unica is parts and accessories line; it does not come installed on any factory pistols I believe. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 (edited) Stock 3 could be made to make weight. Nobody can prove it can't make weight with the right parts replaced, so it's legal. Then if it's legal, the Titan hammer is legal. Edited February 21, 2017 by B_RAD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 26 minutes ago, B_RAD said: Stock 3 could be made to make weight. Nobody can prove it can't make weight with the right parts replaced, so it's legal. Then if it's legal, the Titan hammer is legal. 59 minutes ago, philippshen said: Here you go! Why not remove grips completely, no rule said you can't shoot without grips You can also put polymer guide rod in it, punch holes on the magazine tube, remove the rear sight, However, we still have another problem here, titan hammer does not come installed on any factory pistols yet (current extreme line pistols in the States), but they will be in the future according to the Tanfoglio 2017 Catalog, I guess will just have to wait then. Almost, just wait until they made 2k of new stock 3 extreme this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 12 minutes ago, philippshen said: Almost, just wait until they made 2k of new stock 3 extreme this year. They haven't already made 2k? Haven't they been out for a while? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 18 minutes ago, B_RAD said: They haven't already made 2k? Haven't they been out for a while? Titian hammer does not come installed on current extreme line pistols we see in the States I believe. But new one does, they are on the tanfoglio 2017 catalog. http://www.tanfoglio.it/pdf/catalogo.pdf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B_RAD Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 5 minutes ago, philippshen said: Titian hammer does not come installed on current extreme line pistols we see in the States I believe. But new one does, they are on the tanfoglio 2017 catalog. http://www.tanfoglio.it/pdf/catalogo.pdf I thought the Titan does come on the extreme line. It's a moot point for me because I'm gonna shoot my CZ all year. Maybe next year I'll switch over. I do love the Tanfo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 30 minutes ago, B_RAD said: I thought the Titan does come on the extreme line. It's a moot point for me because I'm gonna shoot my CZ all year. Maybe next year I'll switch over. I do love the Tanfo! 1 Current extreme has delta hammer I think. I tried both CZ and Tanfo, the grip of CZ just fit my hand better, but I'd like to try small frame tanfos, wish EAA will import those again. BTW, as you mentioned in another topic, Limited Pro is no long on the EAA 2017 catalog. I checked Tanfoglio 2017 catalog, and there is no Limited pro either, seems like it was replaced by the new Stock I pistol. So, limited Pro discontinued? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbu Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 http://eaacorp.com/index.php/guns/handguns/witness-elite-limited-pro-178 Still shows on the web page Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnbu Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 3 hours ago, philippshen said: I checked Tanfoglio 2017 catalog, there is no Stock 1 extreme nor limited pro http://www.tanfoglio.it/pdf/catalogo.pdf Look on page 14.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philippshen Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 20 minutes ago, johnbu said: Look on page 14.... that is a SAO gun, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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