1911vm Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Good day all. Decided to get aCZ . Started looking , wow so many models. What is the best choice for production and SSP divisions. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennJeep1618 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) My choice would be an SP-01 Shadow for Production and SSP. However, a 75 Shadow (DA/SA) would be the most versatile gun for Production, SSP and ESP. You'd be able to take advantage of using a magwell in ESP, should you so desire. Edited April 25, 2016 by TennJeep1618 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 OK just looked wow why such a difference in price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennJeep1618 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 OK just looked wow why such a difference in price What kind of difference? Which models are you comparing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 SP 01 and SP01 shadow. Seems like Shadow is almost double the price Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennJeep1618 Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 SP 01 and SP01 shadow. Seems like Shadow is almost double the price The Shadow has some advantages. It doesn't have a firing pin block, which means the trigger is arguably better. It comes with a fiber optic front and serrated black rear sight, and also comes with 3 magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKW Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) I'd consider Tennessee Jeep's advice. An SP-01 Shadow will lock you into basically SSP configuration when shooting IDPA. If you think you might like to shoot ESP and take advantage of the few mods it allows, look at a 75 Shadow. Edited April 25, 2016 by JKW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeyjones Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 Any options for shooting SSP or ESP and limited major? Sent from my Z812 using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trgt Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 SP 01 and SP01 shadow. Seems like Shadow is almost double the price rock stock its just about $200 difference between them, but you really can't find a stock SP01 Shadow anymore as you can SP01. You are probably seeing "SP-01 Shadow Custom" (some variant) which also has some performance parts as well as nice trigger job. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steppenwolf Posted April 25, 2016 Share Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) I was going to also say you will likely not find a stock SP01 Shadow anywhere (unless you can get a used one). You can find SP01s and tune them and add sights. The SP01 will have the FPB, but I have not found that to be any disadvantage. I couldn't tell the difference between my SP01 with CGW goodies and an SP01 Shadow (friend's) when practice firing transitions at speed. I recently shot an IDPA match (28 shooters). My friend and I ran SP01s (non-Shadows). He got second place and I got third place (he beat me by only .5 second overall because I hit the perf on a no-shoot on one stage). The winner was shooting a tweaked STI 2011 and he only beat me by 4.5 seconds (the no-shoot perf hit cost me the win, but then again, either of them could have scored better also). Edited April 25, 2016 by Steppenwolf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted April 25, 2016 Author Share Posted April 25, 2016 Thank you guys. I will only use the gun for SSP AND Production in USPSA. I use a 1911 9mm when I shoot ESP. with 9 round mags it's like cheating lol. I have used polymer guns before, but just do not like glocks . Xds are OK. Some one told me to try P 09. But I just want a steel gun. So to summarize. Sp 01 shadow. Sounds like the major consensus. I guess will Ned to save some money for looks like a1200-1700 dollar gun I definitely did not plan for that. For some reason I thought I could get in the game for 800 including gear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted April 27, 2016 Author Share Posted April 27, 2016 Would this option be better to get a SP-01 and send CGW. I have read a bunch of really good things about them. the price is about the same. unless I find a used SP 01. Which a doubt Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andreas Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 SP 01 and SP01 shadow. Seems like Shadow is almost double the price That’s because it’s worth it. Prices largely even out once you’re done replacing parts on the SP 01. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoKimberDave Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Sexy pistol. What trigger is that??? I'd consider Tennessee Jeep's advice. An SP-01 Shadow will lock you into basically SSP configuration when shooting IDPA. If you think you might like to shoot ESP and take advantage of the few mods it allows, look at a 75 Shadow. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tanks Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Would this option be better to get a SP-01 and send CGW. I have read a bunch of really good things about them. the price is about the same. unless I find a used SP 01. Which a doubt SP-01 Shadow without the firing pin block from the FACTORY is legal for production. SP-01 modified to be a Shadow will be illegal for production if they remove the firing pin block to reduce the trigger to 1.5 lbs or so. I am not sure in regards to Shadow and IDPA, I think just before Nationals they had outlawed it due to the bushing. But, as often they change the rules there I am not sure if it is still illegal or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennJeep1618 Posted April 27, 2016 Share Posted April 27, 2016 Would this option be better to get a SP-01 and send CGW. I have read a bunch of really good things about them. the price is about the same. unless I find a used SP 01. Which a doubtSP-01 Shadow without the firing pin block from the FACTORY is legal for production. SP-01 modified to be a Shadow will be illegal for production if they remove the firing pin block to reduce the trigger to 1.5 lbs or so.I am not sure in regards to Shadow and IDPA, I think just before Nationals they had outlawed it due to the bushing. But, as often they change the rules there I am not sure if it is still illegal or not. Only the Accu Shadow has a bushing. Shadow is legal in IDPA.Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKW Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Sexy pistol. What trigger is that??? I'd consider Tennessee Jeep's advice. An SP-01 Shadow will lock you into basically SSP configuration when shooting IDPA. If you think you might like to shoot ESP and take advantage of the few mods it allows, look at a 75 Shadow. Thank you for the compliment, NoKimberDave. The trigger I made on a whim when I decided to go the SAO route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gixxerjunky Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 (edited) CZ still sells the shadow I'm pretty sure. It's not on the website but they are in production. Call them and ask. I have a shadow custom and it's amazing. It instantly made me a better shooter. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Edited April 29, 2016 by gixxerjunky Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoKimberDave Posted April 29, 2016 Share Posted April 29, 2016 Sexy pistol. What trigger is that??? I'd consider Tennessee Jeep's advice. An SP-01 Shadow will lock you into basically SSP configuration when shooting IDPA. If you think you might like to shoot ESP and take advantage of the few mods it allows, look at a 75 Shadow. Thank you for the compliment, NoKimberDave. The trigger I made on a whim when I decided to go the SAO route. You are welcome. It looks like you have an eye for lines as it looks swell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaniumbadger22 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 A few folks have indicated that the SP-01 Shadow would not be allowed in the ESP division. My understanding of the rules is that it is allowed. From the IDPA Rulebook: "8.2.2.1.7 All firearms legal in SSP are legal for use in ESP. This provision may be used for firearms that violate an ESP rule (for example, a firearm with a steel dust cover or rail over 3.25”) to still be used in ESP, provided the firearm meets all SSP requirements." This seems to allow the SP-01 Shadow to be used in ESP and start cocked and locked. I used mine to classify in ESP. Maybe certain clubs interpret that rule differently, but it seems pretty clear to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennJeep1618 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 A few folks have indicated that the SP-01 Shadow would not be allowed in the ESP division. My understanding of the rules is that it is allowed. From the IDPA Rulebook: "8.2.2.1.7 All firearms legal in SSP are legal for use in ESP. This provision may be used for firearms that violate an ESP rule (for example, a firearm with a steel dust cover or rail over 3.25”) to still be used in ESP, provided the firearm meets all SSP requirements." This seems to allow the SP-01 Shadow to be used in ESP and start cocked and locked. I used mine to classify in ESP. Maybe certain clubs interpret that rule differently, but it seems pretty clear to me. That is correct, but because of the full length dust cover, you aren't allowed to use a magwell (since the gun must meet all SSP requirements). That was the point I was trying to make. Sent from my SM-G920V using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titaniumbadger22 Posted May 1, 2016 Share Posted May 1, 2016 Ahh, thanks for the clarification. I just keep hearing people say the SP-01 Shadow is not allowed in ESP and keep wondering why not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 So I have been looking around 1st. There is not to many sp01 period. And even less decock [tactical]. For SSP and Production divisions only. What is better Safety or Decock and why? Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrswanson1 Posted May 10, 2016 Share Posted May 10, 2016 So I have been looking around 1st. There is not to many sp01 period. And even less decock [tactical]. For SSP and Production divisions only. What is better Safety or Decock and why? Thanks. Decocker is better. With the safety version, hammer has to be all of the way down. With the decocker, the lever sends the hammer to half-cock, so less trigger pull for the first shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1911vm Posted May 10, 2016 Author Share Posted May 10, 2016 OK that makes sense. Next stupid question, I was looking on GB and they had a custom shadow with a high grip. what makes a high grip modification? I thought sp01s are all the same frame? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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