kk4364 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I will have to get to the range and report! Maybe I can try some video! Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunBugBit Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Arms pretty extended but elbows not locked, gives me my best results. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk4364 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I agree! Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jroback Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I would definitely try it with finger wrapped around vs. off the trigger guard, and compare. I started wrapping my finger around the trigger guard a few months ago and my control immediately improved. Also, it just felt "right". The "trick" is getting to that grip quickly off the draw; its definitely easier to draw to the unwrapped grip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk4364 Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 I find that when going for gun in holster when bringing hands together if i wrap around the trigger guard its just smoother and more consistent for me Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk4364 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Im thinking it's one of those to each his own. It does feel right to me, but im sure that there are several pros and cons. Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kk4364 Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 I will get to the range and try to make a video as soon as I can Sent from my SM-G900P using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
adamge Posted November 21, 2015 Share Posted November 21, 2015 Another variation of the common grip is two fingers wrapped around the underside of the trigger guard, instead of the normal one. Bob Vogel uses this on his Glocks, according to his videos on youtube. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedsouthshooting Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 This is how I shoot. It's working so I'm not gonna change. My draw and hit factor is better but my muscles memory is si engrained I'm almost afraid at this point to change. I shoot open also and that would even become a bigger problem with the elusive disappearing dot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyback Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 They taught us to lock 'em in an iso to get the POI's closer together on a double tap. That's been about 25 years ago... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Locking your joints make it pretty difficult to manage recoil effectly since the energy is more directly transmitted through your skeleton instead of the muscles you are tensing. So in actuality, locking your arms is limiting your ability to get the gun back on target at the earliest moment. Straight but not locked is the best place I've found to be. I doubt you'd land from a jump with locked legs. Not the same thing obviously, but close enough to be relevant. Edited November 28, 2015 by Jake Di Vita Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyback Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 The recoil moves my shoulders. In my case, it seems to reduce flip and allows the front sight to settle quicker. May well be the wrong thing to do, nowadays, but hey-I'm an old dog who has trouble with new tricks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Ultimately, your foundation for applying force is always best when you are applying that force from the ground. I try and set my grip/stance up to transmit as much energy into the ground as I can, so in this case I want to be slightly unlocked and tense from my hands through my arms, through my trunk, into the ground. There is a lean forward/down to whatever degree is necessary to prevent the recoil from moving your upper body. If recoil is moving your shoulders, that is energy being directed in a sub optimal way and is also adding an additional variable that can impact how the gun tracks throughout recoil. If you aren't interested in trying a different way, that's totally cool. I personally think the gains would be worth the effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyback Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Makes sense. I'll try it next time I shoot... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) i wouldn't freak out about locking elbows or not. when I was a noob, I used to lock my elbows, and stoeger suggested it might be worth trying putting a slight bend in them. it felt awkward and uncontrolled for me, but a couple years later I find I have naturally gravitated to having a slight bend. I never really tried to, it just happened as I got better and worked on grip and trigger control and various things. Edited November 29, 2015 by motosapiens Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyback Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Motosapiens; has your double-tap changed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Motosapiens; has your double-tap changed? Yes. along with improving in many other ways, I figured out that 'double-tap' (i.e. 2 trigger pulls with one sight picture) is a good way to get poor hits. Now I look at the sights for both shots. They are just as fast (faster,actually, since my skills have improved), and considerably more accurate and consistent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyback Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Thanks. Just ordered two Ben Stoeger books.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
motosapiens Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Thanks. Just ordered two Ben Stoeger books.. that's a good start. I strongly advise you to learn from others' mistakes and not get sucked into chasing par times for dryfire drills at the expense of visual information. If you really make sure you are looking at your sights for both trigger pulls, and seeing where the sights are on the target, such that you can say just from the visual information "i got at least 2 C's and one that might have been D on that el prez" , you will learn faster and make better use of your time. It is really really easy to get sucked into the trap of seeing the sights where you want it and pulling your eyes off as you yank the trigger twice, and then you have no idea where those shots really went. I've been shooting about 3-4 years and just starting figuring this stuff out this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyback Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 (edited) Cool. I know that when I acquire two distinct sight pictures, mine is more of a controlled pair, and very slow, especially with .45 ACP. After thousands of rounds through an M9 over about a 6-week period, I noticed a slight, but perceptible increase in speed. I've just lived with it... Now, what about strong- or weak-hand only? Locked...? Edited November 29, 2015 by greyback Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDA Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 It is really really easy to get sucked into the trap of seeing the sights where you want it and pulling your eyes off as you yank the trigger twice, and then you have no idea where those shots really went. I've been shooting about 3-4 years and just starting figuring this stuff out this year. Isn't that the truth! I was at the range this morning and someone next to me was shooting into the grass ten feet in front of them when aiming at a steel plate 15 yds away. I've never seen anyone pull the muzzle down that far when pressing the trigger, and then asking if they hit it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDA Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 (edited) Double post Edited November 30, 2015 by TDA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greyback Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Well, I'm older than Methuselah, but I'm still gonna have to go back to the drawing board-square #1... Glad I actually enjoy training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
imeyers78 Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 I was an advocate for full extension (looking out the elbows) until I made Mr. Ron Avery.. TPC changed my perspective on a lot of things that I thought I already knew about shooting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earplug Posted December 6, 2015 Share Posted December 6, 2015 Tired eyes are my deciding factor on how far the front sight is. This has my elbows locked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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