slavex Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 The dust is a result of what comes off the cases, not from the media. All the dryer sheets in the world won't stop it from escaping when you pour the tumbler out. If you tumble inside your house, you will have lead dust everywhere. I had to have my entire house cleaned once I went to wet and every time we tested the dust, it came back as positive for lead dust. When we cleaned the air ducts we did the same thing, with the same result. If you tumble outside it's a non issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfalcon00 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 It won't happen with the pins if you use the XL size from Pelletsllc.com. Why use the bigger size pins? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sschultz Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 They won't get stuck in the flash hole. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynnm45 Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 Hmm... Thanks but no thanks... Here's a quote from their website: "We’ve found that on occasion the ceramic beads will get themselves stuck into a shell casing during the polishing and tumbling process. You’ll notice this during the Completion Step (#10). To remedy the issue, we suggest a small probe or other pointed tool (screwdriver) to easily pick out the beads with just a little pressure. Always inspect the casing to make certain it is clean." Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk I missed that part of the description. If that is the case there is no way I am interested in those. If they are stating that right there on their website, I am willing to bet it happens more than just once in a while. SS pins get stuck in primer pockets ever now and then; just use a smal clamp and remove them. Plus it gives you a chance to inspect the brass, again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted September 25, 2015 Share Posted September 25, 2015 If I was to spend the time looking in my cases for pins and media, I'd only shoot about a hundredth of what I shoot. I've bent two primer punches hitting pins since I got into SS tumbling. I'm fine with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted September 27, 2015 Share Posted September 27, 2015 (edited) The dust is a result of what comes off the cases, not from the media. All the dryer sheets in the world won't stop it from escaping when you pour the tumbler out. If you tumble inside your house, you will have lead dust everywhere. I had to have my entire house cleaned once I went to wet and every time we tested the dust, it came back as positive for lead dust. When we cleaned the air ducts we did the same thing, with the same result. If you tumble outside it's a non issue. Have you ever had your blood lead level tested? 95% of lead is inhaled during firing, and if you RO allot, you will inhale everyone else's lead also. What's left in the spent primer pocket is orders of magnitude smaller than when firing. Lead cannot go thru your skin, it has to be eaten or inhaled. And most of what is ingested, goes out as quickly as it goes in. The lowest lead level of all the shooters that I know, shooting at least 6 times a month, is a 4. Most guys are in the 6-8 or higher, even running total metal jackets and wet tumbling or slurry dry tumbling. The only way to get lower is to run non-heavy metal primers, or stop shooting, Not! Edited September 27, 2015 by 9x45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 yup, my lead levels were so high when I first got tested that it initiated a Health Canada investigation. Slowly coming down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted September 28, 2015 Share Posted September 28, 2015 (edited) Slavex, and how high was that? In California, it is reported to the county at 20 plus, and to the State and OSHA at 40 plus. But the reason for that is the health agencies want to know if you work in the lead idustry, ie, making batteries, or salvaging lead, so they can make you aware of the hazards, especially kids in the house. The reporting is not really intended for shooters. What kind of bullets and powder are you running, and how many per week are you shooting? Indoors or out? Very high levels can only be from inhaling lead and is usually associated with people who work indoor ranges doing cleanup. There is not enough lead residue left in the spent primer after firing (lead styphnate compound) to get to high levels. Edited September 28, 2015 by 9x45 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 (edited) 1.92 umol/L and the max according to Health Canada is 0.48 umol/L. I was down to 0.79 for awhile but have climbed back to 1.2. Not sure why as I'm been doing less shooting and no longer do dry tumbling, and even moved the wet tumbling to the garage. Doctor thinks it might just be being dumped from my system for some reason, we are doing monthly tests now instead of every 6 months. Edited October 1, 2015 by slavex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfalcon00 Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 1.92 umol/L and the max according to Health Canada is 0.48 umol/L. I was down to 0.79 for awhile but have climbed back to 1.2. Not sure why as I'm been doing less shooting and no longer do dry tumbling, and even moved the wet tumbling to the garage. Doctor thinks it might just be being dumped from my system for some reason, we are doing monthly tests now instead of every 6 months. Best of luck brother, hope you get those levels down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted October 1, 2015 Share Posted October 1, 2015 According to the tests taken by Health Canada of the dust in my house at the time it absolutely could have accounted for my lead levels. However most of the blame was indeed placed on the poor ventilation we had at my indoor with the tumbling dust being an additional source. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
razorfish Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 SS pins get stuck in primer pockets ever now and then; just use a smal clamp and remove them. Plus it gives you a chance to inspect the brass, again. When SS media originally got popular this was true but the newer pins are sized a bit larger so this doesn't happen. I changed my media from the original smaller pins to the newer slightly larger size and this in no longer an issue. (My new SS pins are sized at .047"x.255") Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve RA Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 The XL pins are larger than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfalcon00 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 SS pins get stuck in primer pockets ever now and then; just use a smal clamp and remove them. Plus it gives you a chance to inspect the brass, again. When SS media originally got popular this was true but the newer pins are sized a bit larger so this doesn't happen. I changed my media from the original smaller pins to the newer slightly larger size and this in no longer an issue. (My new SS pins are sized at .047"x.255") Yeah those are the size I have and I have never really had a problem with the pins getting stuck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9x45 Posted October 2, 2015 Share Posted October 2, 2015 Slavex, 1.92 umol/L is like 40 ug/dL, which is how we measure in the US. That's pretty freaking high. But you can be sure that a poorly ventilated indoor range, and not wearing a particle mask, will get you there in a hurry. I never, ever, shoot indoors. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Absocold Posted October 3, 2015 Share Posted October 3, 2015 Newer indoor ranges in the US are built to the latest OSHA specs and call for a pretty stiff wind to flow downrange. As long as the blowers are on it's safer than shooting outdoors where no wind or wind in the wrong direction means you're sucking lead. With that being said, indoor ranges are filthy with lead dust and after working at one and seeing the crappy maintenance that is (or worse, isn't) done, I wouldn't shoot at an indoor range either. Besides, most of them get uptight when you start double-tapping or rage dumping your mags - even when your groups are tighter than anything they could do with a scope and a sandbag. PS. Discussion progressing nicely in this thread, we're way off topic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfalcon00 Posted October 4, 2015 Share Posted October 4, 2015 Yeah I stay away from the indoor stuff too unless its brutal cold outside. Even then, I am only shooting indoors a hand full of times a year mostly during the three miserable months in Ohio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
durdy1 Posted October 5, 2015 Author Share Posted October 5, 2015 I am in the process of ordering some to try. I will post my results....trying to finish up my first nationals for limited right now.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slavex Posted October 6, 2015 Share Posted October 6, 2015 I shoot primarily on an indoor and after the initial lead test came back the club spent the money to have a state of the art air handling system installed. My lead tests dropped quickly after that. This recent spike is strange as I've actually been shooting less lately due to other issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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