IHMSA15151 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 I think as the availability of 22 ammo increases (it seems to be getting a little bit better) there will be more. It's just so much easier to start out a new shooting sport with a 22. I still run the IHMSA pistol silhouette matches at our range and the 22's far out number the center fire entries. I have to confess, I love shooting my tricked out 10/22 rifle at Steel Challenge more than my 9mm Steel Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 (edited) hmmmm ... that's a tough choice for me .... Edited November 23, 2014 by Nimitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 hmmmm ... that's a tough choice for me .... I really wish you'd stop posting pictures of that Steel Master. Every time you do I want one more . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHMSA15151 Posted November 23, 2014 Share Posted November 23, 2014 Hey Nimitz, that is one fine Steel Master. Who did the grips? I'd love to texture mine like that. Zack Jones, if you get one, you won't regret it. They are a blast! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 23, 2014 Author Share Posted November 23, 2014 come on .. i'm trying to get a sponsoership from STI ... both guns were done by Extremeshooters.com ... i had Duracoat make a custom blue color for me which i sent to them plus a drawing of what i wanted done and Jason did the rest. He really does amazing work. He also did the grip texturing for the STI as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IHMSA15151 Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Thanks for the link. I think I might send my grip in to get that texture. Nimitz, if it will help you get sponsored, I'll tell everyone that I'd rather shoot my Steel Master than my 22 race rifle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted November 24, 2014 Share Posted November 24, 2014 Zack Jones, if you get one, you won't regret it. They are a blast! STI's are great guns. I used to have an Edge when I shot limited. I suppose if I sold everything other than my 22's I could buy a new steel master. You don't see used ones that often. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted November 24, 2014 Author Share Posted November 24, 2014 You're money is no good to you when you're dead ... Spend it while you have it ... The gov't will always just gve you more if you need it anyways... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoracer Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Are the decimals one digit off? It is either that or I just don't understand it... I don't think so. I'll try to explain it differently looking at the production set of data. 65 is the baseline value. If you can shoot all 6 classification stages in 65 seconds or less you're a steel GM. 75 to 66 seconds makes you a steel master and so forth. The way I came with the 1.15 numbers as follows. 75/65 = 1.15 meaning 75 seconds is 1.15 times greater than 65. Another way of looking at it is a master class shooter could 1.15 times slower than a GM. I then calculated the values for the other classes. Hopefully it makes more sense now. I don't think those aggregate levels will work for Rimfire. I mean just this year alone my aggregate from sanctioned matches for the 6 classifier stages for RFRO is 65.85 and for RFPO it is 72.78. And yes I am beating guys who hold M and GM in the centerfire divisions sometimes but the top rimfire guys are still killing me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) BOD Minutes are posted with classification details. They are based on Peak stage times and include times for rimfire pistols only. Rimfire rifle times will be determined in the future. I have not thoroughly validated the data in the screen capture but it should give you an idea of the time ranges for each class within each division. What's interesting is for me is under the new classification system I'll move up to B in Production and Open. I'm current C class now. Numbers are approximate and I used whole numbers to make things easier. ETA: These numbers work if you have shot all 8 official stages. I'll work on calculating them for each stage and division later. Edited December 11, 2014 by ZackJones Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Here's a screen capture of the minutes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photoracer Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 Here's a screen capture of the minutes. They should not be that far off. The world record for S&H with a pistol is something like 6.37s and the record for the rifle is 6.54s. The numbers can't be too far off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If I am reading this right sub 115 in Production is Master. That doesn't sound right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottlep Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 I am starting a new thread to discuss the new classification system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If I am reading this right sub 115 in Production is Master. That doesn't sound right. What looks wrong with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 That would put me in Master and I do not perceive myself as having Master Class skilz I could buy into the idea that I might be A class but Master seems like a stretch to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottlep Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 If I am reading this right sub 115 in Production is Master. That doesn't sound right. Yes, a 115 for all 8 stages would be an 85.2%, thus you would be a Master. The new 2016 system is using all 8 stages from what I can tell, although you can be classified with only 4 stages from what the BOD minutes said. The current classification system uses 6 stages, Outer Limits and Speed Option don't currently count towards classification, but they do count towards your ranking. So if you are looking at your current classification time on the SCSA website and it is 115, then add your fastest times for OL and SO for the conversion to the 2016 system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToddKS Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 That is what I was missing. 115 for all 8 makes much better sense to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 That would put me in Master and I do not perceive myself as having Master Class skilz I could buy into the idea that I might be A class but Master seems like a stretch to me. Sandbagger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted December 11, 2014 Author Share Posted December 11, 2014 (edited) So are they saying that a Steel Challenge classification will only require any 4 of the 8 stages? So a sandbagger could shoot smoke & hope, roundabout, showdown and accelerator and make say GM without ever having to shoot the others? Obviously since the classification is a rolling system, whereby every time you shoot a stage in a sanctioned match your classification will be updated but .... If all 8 stages can be used but don't need to be used, won't that squew folks classification since as soon as you shoot Outer Limits your total time will go up or will the system just use your 4 fastest stage times no matter which ones you shoot? Edited December 11, 2014 by Nimitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottlep Posted December 11, 2014 Share Posted December 11, 2014 So are they saying that a Steel Challenge classification will only require any 4 of the 8 stages? So a sandbagger could shoot smoke & hope, roundabout, showdown and accelerator and make say GM without ever having to shoot the others? Obviously since the classification is a rolling system, whereby every time you shoot a stage in a sanctioned match your classification will be updated but .... If all 8 stages can be used but don't need to be used, won't that squew folks classification since as soon as you shoot Outer Limits your total time will go up or will the system just use your 4 fastest stage times no matter which ones you shoot? I think they need to clarify a lot of it. I am guessing maybe it will be your best four? Kinda like USPSA where your best four classifiers are used??? But hey, at least they have until 2016 to figure it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted December 12, 2014 Share Posted December 12, 2014 I would prefer to use 4 for initial classification and then 6 of 8 afterwards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 With that system, if I did the math right I'm currently at 87.7% .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted December 13, 2014 Author Share Posted December 13, 2014 I assume like USPSA, only your best time for a stage will count toward your classification once you have multiple times for each stage ... In other words, your classification can't drop so say, once you make Master, no matter what you shoot in the future you classification will always be no lower than master Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZackJones Posted December 14, 2014 Share Posted December 14, 2014 With that system, if I did the math right I'm currently at 87.7% .... So that makes you master class. You'll be a GM before long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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