alma Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 If CZC an turn out custom grade models in the volumes required to be accepted as a Production gun then the more power to them. There is definitely still an arms race of sorts in Production even though you can be completely competitive with a stock gun. The overall affect is a gradual raising of the bar and improvement for the all basic guns that can be found on the shelf at Al's Gun Barn; everyone wins in the long run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMike Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 If CZC an turn out custom grade models in the volumes required to be accepted as a Production gun then the more power to them. There is definitely still an arms race of sorts in Production even though you can be completely competitive with a stock gun. The overall affect is a gradual raising of the bar and improvement for the all basic guns that can be found on the shelf at Al's Gun Barn; everyone wins in the long run. Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 i pointed i could have cerakoted it black, no one would have noticed.....then i asked if he thought the paint job can make the gun heavier on the front LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_C Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Your club won't last long if that's the way they play Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) dang....i've been bumped in limited with my G17 because i did a cerakote on the slide in different color than factory , so now CZCS shadows are offered in so many different variants , very far away from production based guns imo...LOL. That would be an IPSC rule, not USPSA. Edited January 5, 2014 by eerw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nimitz Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 You know if you just shot with bigger bullets those borderline C zone hits would turn in to Alphas and you could save the $350 and buy more bullets to practice with ... Just saying ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 dang....i've been bumped in limited with my G17 because i did a cerakote on the slide in different color than factory , so now CZCS shadows are offered in so many different variants , very far away from production based guns imo...LOL.That would be an IPSC rule, not USPSA. Wait...are you telling me you can't coat a gun in IPSC? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czhase Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 From the production section of the IPSC rule book 16.1 Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components), are prohibited. Other prohibited modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. flared, enlarged and/or add-on magwells, etc.), changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or adding stripes or other embellishments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Wow that's insane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMike Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 (edited) Wow that's insane At the risk of perpetuating the thread creep, I have to agree. It is the goofiest thing ever! It's not like your OD green cerakote is going be any faster. This and other BS rules that have nothing to do gun function is something both IPSC and USPSA should have addressed years ago. Edited January 5, 2014 by JMike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eerw Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 IPSC requires it to be a "factory" finish, so even if worn and you want to refinish all the exposed metal, you can't just redo with any finish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
h4444 Posted January 5, 2014 Share Posted January 5, 2014 Well then, if bushings are so great, give the people bull barrels in 5 inch singlestacks, after all, if I want a sucky fat heavy barrel, why not? Why do I get the feeling people would still argue??? :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) woaw.that's insane. yes it is in a certain way. i've been into superbike pro racing on both side of the fence : as racer first, then later as race director for a nation wide promotor. when we were at writing rules for a given class, as example ,let's say production, we were taking into account the mods that can affect the performances, as well as the aftermarket parts industry,aka the parts available to the ''joe average '''' street rider,then decide which part are prohibited and which aren't . any sports involving machinery has to be considered that way: production is exactly that. production'''' in stock form'''', however production doesn't means all the aftermarket parts should be prohibited . as example, let's look at how many adjustable sights builders are out there, you can litterally buy a set of adjustables for nearly every existing hand guns on the market,so it wouldn't make sens to prohibits them in a production class .it's no ''custom''' parts,and on top of that it doesn't enhance the perfs of the gun,you still have to place the sights on targets to hit them. to me, no doubts any parts added or related to the trigger action´ should stay ''stock form''' because it does modify the travel-over travel-weight break which doesn't meets the spirit of '''production based class''''. now is paint,recoil rods ,pin kits and other ''external parts '' (except mag release and slide release of course) not trigger related enhances the performance of the gun?? is those can make the trigger action any different?? no.....that is how production class's rules should be thought. but i think politics is no stranger to rulebooks in competitions of all kind, which might be the case here with the CZCS guns allowed in production. Edited January 6, 2014 by sigsauerfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMike Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 I think I might be having a seizure…. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alma Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 From the production section of the IPSC rule book 16.1 Modifications to them, other than minor detailing (the removal of burrs and/or adjustments unavoidably required in order to fit replacement OFM parts or components), are prohibited. Other prohibited modifications include those which facilitate faster reloading (e.g. flared, enlarged and/or add-on magwells, etc.), changing the original color and/or finish of a handgun, and/or adding stripes or other embellishments. At least I can still cerakote my holster in hot pink polkadots. They can't take that away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 No, I don't believe anyone has ever put an external bushing on a Glock. It's the principle of the external bushing that I'm talking about here. CZCustom customizes platforms for competition, it goes against what Production Division has stood for. It's a reason guns haven't been approved for production division in the past. bullseye! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steel1212 Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 So if CZ fit a tighter bushing from the factory there would be less complaining? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_C Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 It's listed in CZ USA's catalog. It's not a one off. Who cares if they farm some of the work out rather than do it in house. Do you think any other pistol manufacturers send work out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 (edited) so since the accu shadow is production legal does this mean there is hope for the cts ls-p as well? Edited January 6, 2014 by polymerfeelsweirdman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_C Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Is that listed on CZ USA's website and if so do you think they'll sell 2000 of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 anyones here with some $$$$ could get a container full of glocks , getting into the build of the most amazing milling-work shop, then proceed to hire 2-3 competent gunsmiths and an autocad-katia technician and start an R&D shop aiming at the developpment of glock pistols dedicated only for competitions . not because one has an R&D workshop aiming at the developpment of an already existing plateform that it makes it a factory. .... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polymerfeelsweirdman Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Is that listed on CZ USA's website and if so do you think they'll sell 2000 of them? I believe it is listed but I have no idea how many have sold I am hoping that the 2000 number gets met Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_C Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 First it's Catia not Katia. Second there are shops like you describe, and that's why there are Limited and Open Glocks - because such guns are not sold through the factory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sigsauerfan Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 First it's Catia not Katia. Second there are shops like you describe, and that's why there are Limited and Open Glocks - because such guns are not sold through the factory. .....and then not allowed in production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_C Posted January 6, 2014 Share Posted January 6, 2014 Glad we are on the same page, since the AccuShadow is sold through CZ-USA http://www.cz-usa.com/products/view/CZ75SP-01Accu-Shadow/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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