Rules for triggers-USPSA and Steel Challenge

[SoCalNoMore]

I have only been able to find this;

5.1.5 Triggers and/or trigger shoes that extend beyond the width of the trigger guard are expressly prohibited.

My question is, can I use any aftermarket trigger in my Glock for the production class in steel challenge?

I would like to try the fulcrum trigger from Zev tech but I dont want to change classes.

Thank you all for your help.

[GigG]

The SCSA seems to use the IPSC production rules and I'm not 100% up on them but the USPSA rules state the rules for production in Appendix D4

Sights, firing pins, firing pin retainers, extractors and

ejectors MAY be replaced with OEM or aftermarket

parts.

Any other components which are externally visible

may ONLY be replaced with OEM parts which are

approved gun from the same manufacturer except as specifically clarified below. Examples of external components which may only be replaced with OEM parts include (but are not limited to): magazine releases, slide stops, thumb safeties and triggers. Special Notes/Clarifications: • Barrels are considered “external parts” and are sub-ject to specific restrictions in 21.4 and associated rulings. • A factory/OEM magazine release which extends only the length of the magazine release may be used. A magazine release which provides larger surface area (paddles, buttons) may only be used if it is an OEM part available on an approved model of gun. • Externally-visible parts from “custom shop” guns will only be considered “OEM parts” if the custom-shop gun is on the NROI list of approved Production guns.

[SoCalNoMore]

Thank you for this GigG, it is a big help.

[Jaxshooter]

Dosen't the fulcrum trigger utilize an additional pin or a pin in a different position on the gun. If so it would not be legal because it is externally visible.

[waktasz]

The Fulcrum is a complete trigger replacement using a metal trigger. No go for Prod

[SoCalNoMore]

Thanks everyone for the replies. For now, I am going to get the Ghost Evo Elite connector parts and a Lonewolf adjustable trigger stop. I will let you all know how it works out for me.

[Tyro Shooter]

the Zev / glockworx Standard Trigger is legal for IDPA and USPSA production class

both were submitted and approved.

the ZEV Fulcrum trigger is fine for Limited and Open

P.S.

Speaking of Open Glocks form Glockworx

congratulations to KC for another commanding win (and Records broken) at the National Steel Challenge.

[SoCalNoMore]

Ty everyone for the help.

[ima45dv8]

Shoot it stock.

What's the worst that can happen? You learn that you haven't put enough time into it yet?

That's my challenge with mine, and I haven't mastered it yet.

Time for me to go do some more dry fire...

[SoCalNoMore]

Shoot it stock.

What's the worst that can happen? You learn that you haven't put enough time into it yet?

That's my challenge with mine, and I haven't mastered it yet.

Time for me to go do some more dry fire...

That is well and good, but to improve my game I need more out of my firearm.

[Thomas H]

Shoot it stock.

What's the worst that can happen? You learn that you haven't put enough time into it yet?

That's my challenge with mine, and I haven't mastered it yet.

That is well and good, but to improve my game I need more out of my firearm.

No offense meant (seriously!) but that seems really unlikely. While I certainly don't have any argument for people who want better triggers in their Glocks (I definitely worked on mine!), it is also certainly true that by far the biggest bar to a significant skill with a firearm in Production division is lack of shooter skill.

I don't know you, so this isn't a comment on your specific skills, level, etc. I know from my own experience, and from what I've seen of other shooters, is that most people can't come close to the point where their gun is holding them back--or even close to the point where the gun is even a major contributor to what is holding them back from succeeding in Production division in USPSA.

The stock trigger in current-production Glocks isn't great. Not at all. But the 25-cent trigger job referenced in plenty of places, or the 25-cent trigger job along with a minus connector (total cost: about $15.25) will make the trigger perfectly good for Production. Spend the rest of the $100 on ammo or a good training class for competitions, and in another couple of years, then think about getting a better trigger.

I may be wrong---you may have already done all that, you've been in USPSA for several years and have significant rounds downrange along with a number of majors. If you have already shot enough to have a clear understanding of the difference that a better trigger will make as opposed to more practice, and know enough of your own learning level that a larger difference will be made by spending $100 on a trigger assembly than by practicing more, then go for it!

That being said.......I doubt it. *I* certainly hadn't when I started thinking about putting a better trigger in my Glock 34.

I will say that the Vogel Trigger by GlockTriggers is a good one. (Among others.) With that said---chances are that improvements to your game will be minimal merely due to a trigger change. And spending that $100 on solid, focused practice or a competition training class will make a MUCH larger, more lasting improvement.

[waktasz]

If the trigger doesn't matter why does everyone run a 2011 in Limited? Is it because they are more reliable than a Glock? Nope. It's because the trigger makes them easier to shoot.

[SoCalNoMore]

Thomas that is great input, ty for it. This is what I love about this sport. It is much like when I was a tire specialist for a NASCAR team and when I built motors for NHRA cars. There are an infinite about of possibilities to the same solution and what works for one may not work for another. For me, a trigger with less over travel helps tremendously because of the size of my hands and length of finger. The $30 trigger connector from Ghost that I just installed last night seems to be what my body needed.

I did not know this when I began shooting, but my doctor friend who is a top shooter also told me there are not muscles in the fingers. That is why grip and finger placement are crucial to keeping your POA while breaking the trigger. There is a certain muscle in the palm of the hand and in the forearm that one needs to train for speed and accuracy when shooting Steel Challenge etc. where speed is key. I am not bashing the Glock trigger, but why would you want to move your trigger 3/4" when you only need to move it 3/8" to accomplish the same task?

For me its a matter of physical mechanics, so yes the trigger on a Glock is limiting me. Its not Glocks fault I am 6'7" with hands large enough to palm basketballs.

One thing I learned while managing tires, my setup may work for us but if I give you our stagger for a track you may crash trying to use it. Again, that is why I love the sport of competition shooting. It is endless in the possibilities that can give someone and edge.

Shoot on and shoot straight!!