twix Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 That fanwheel thing underneath came off. I figured out that it has a set screw, it didn't vibrate much so I turned the fanwheel over and it vibrated hardly at all. I looked at a probably 10 year older model that looked like it had a brass "squeeze-it" to crimp the fanwheel in place. I'd appreciate any insight or even a smart-aleck remark or two. tomB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 JB Weld can fix anything. Barring that, $27.50 plus shipping to Dillon will get you a new motor assembly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twix Posted October 2, 2004 Author Share Posted October 2, 2004 That's what I was trying to decide: fried motor or do I just need to affix the fan thing more securely. I suppose the proper thing to do would be to order a new one and send the old one back for repair. Spares and USPSA buddies will get us through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AikiDale Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 If you come to the match at Silver Creek tomorrow, er, later today, I can run a batch of brass for you and bring it to you at South Central Sunday. Dale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twix Posted October 2, 2004 Author Share Posted October 2, 2004 Thank you for your generous offer, Mr. Aiki. I believe I have about five thousand pieces I just bought that happened to come already cleaned. That should get me through for awhile. See you at South Central Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted October 2, 2004 Share Posted October 2, 2004 Twix if all it is is the fan/counterweight, just rough up the shaft with a file and glue 'er back on with a $3 pack of JB Weld. The fan falling off has nothing to do with the motor being worn out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twix Posted October 3, 2004 Author Share Posted October 3, 2004 I put the flywheel back on, and it vibrated but not like it should/did before. So I flipped the flywheel over and it din't really vibrate at all. Will this type of motor run at a lower capacity? I was thinking that if it goes out it wouldn't run at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Try installing the fan/counterweight in this manner: The bottom of the fan/counterweight should be 1/4" from the end of the shaft. The blades have a slight curve to their shape. Correctly mounted, the convex side is down, and the concave side is facing the motor. It is held onto the shaft by a set screw. No adhesive is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted October 4, 2004 Share Posted October 4, 2004 Sorry, I misread the original post and thought twix had a clip version and that the clip was gone. Oops. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twix Posted October 5, 2004 Author Share Posted October 5, 2004 Dillion, that's what I did. I tried putting the flywheel on both ways, about a 1/4 inch from the end. One way it vibrated much more weakly than before, the other barely at all. So is my motor fried? Especially for Eric, I got the 1/4" distance from looking at 3QT's old brass crimped on model. Mine has the set screw I learned, sorry for any confusion. TomB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Probably ought to send it in for us to examine. Worst case, cost is $27.95 for a replacement motor, which includes return shipping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Tom, My 500 doesn't shake/rattle much at all when empty. What I experienced was during a run full of brass/media. You could hear the motor periodically slow down then speed back up - the sure sign of an impending bushing failure. The motor also was VERY hot. The problem with the 500's is that they appear to use bushings instead of bearings as the 2000 does. The bushings just don't hold up for heavy duty use. I think the moral is: buy the CV2000 if you're buying a tumbler for the long haul - even if the volume of the brass you clean doesn't merit the size. That said, $27.95 really is a bargain for a new motor. They're practically impossible to source, even from the manufacturer. If your motor is getting hot (I'm talking too hot to touch), you should send it in. The motor has no thermal protection that I can see, and you run the risk of tumbler meltdown. If the Brass Weasel 9000 doesn't pan out over the long haul, I'm going to sell my 500 and buy a 2000 (like I should have to begin with). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 I have a CV-500 and the motor burnt out after two years of use. But those two years actually boil down to 2 days per month for a few hours. So my CV-500 lasted 24 days @ 4 hours per day so let call it 100 hours of use. I'm in the process of waiting for a replacement motor from Dillon. I think the motor should either have over heating protection of some kind or be made more durable. I gave my 15 year old Lyman 1200 to one of our Junior shooters so currently with out any type of case cleaner. Good to Dillon monitors this board. They have many great products. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Both the large and small case cleaner motors have built in thermal shutoffs. Once they do shut off, the motor has to cool completely before it will start up again. Operating a case cleaner on a carpeted surface is the most common cause for motor failure, as the carpeting inhibits air flow, and insulates the underside of the cleaner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benos Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Great posts! Thanks Gary... I'll be passing on the carpeting thing. be Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EricW Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Both the large and small case cleaner motors have built in thermal shutoffs. Once they do shut off, the motor has to cool completely before it will start up again. Operating a case cleaner on a carpeted surface is the most common cause for motor failure, as the carpeting inhibits air flow, and insulates the underside of the cleaner. I stand corrected. I couldn't see the device from underneath the tumbler and simply assumed it didn't exist. Oops. My CV-500 was bought new and never run on carpet - always on the bench or on a bare concrete floor. My tumbler *might* have had 150 hours runtime on it - on the outside. I just don't think there's any way those oil-lite bushings (I'm pretty sure that's what they are) can hold up to the vibration over the long haul like a good bearing does. TheCV-500 is probably a good choice for someone who's buying an AT-500 and will never load much volume. Any action pistol shooter should automatically consider the 2000 to be the only game in town. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Jones Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Can anyone tell me how tall the CV-2001 is? I need to find out if it will even sit on the shelves that I have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dillon Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 The CV 2001 is about 15" tall, and about 15" in diameter.Weighs about 16 lbs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 I agree, so I always ran mine on concrete basement floor. Still seems like a short life span for an electric motor. Look forword for its replacement so I can clean cases and reload again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Jones Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 The CV 2001 is about 15" tall, and about 15" in diameter.Weighs about 16 lbs. That's what I needed to know-thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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