dawg05 Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 I purchased a Glock 20 a few years ago and am now looking to get into IDPA or GSSF. I have a KKM barrel, Bomar style rear and Dawson fiber optic green front, .100. I have put the grip tape on and that helps greatly in the whole not dropping the gun thing. The Wolfe spring kit also helped alot. I am practicing with the sidearmor holster and mag holders for the stock hicap mags. My only problem is that I don't reload and ammo is hard to find that isn't JHP. Does anyone have any recomendations on a manufacturer of 10mm ammo in FMJ, SWC, anything but JHP or lead WC/SWC? Also, any recomended parts/work for the gun itself and any other equipment I need? I have gotten the hang of the whole mechanics thing, not great by any streach of the imagination, but need to clear up the whole equipment thing so I can concentrate on shooting. Thanks in advance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rhino Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Federal's American Eagle has a 180gr lead load. PMC has a FMJ load. Speer/CCI has a FMJ load in their Blazer brand. Remington UMC has a 180gr FMJ load. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tupperware Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 Recently, a decision was rendered allowing .40S&W conversion barrels in your G20. Something else to consider. Georgia Arms http://www.georgia-arms.com/ catalogs 10mm loads. They are available for reasonable prices at some of the local gun shows. What is your aversion to JHP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg05 Posted October 1, 2004 Author Share Posted October 1, 2004 No real aversion to the JHP. Just normally cheaper buying FMJ or something similar as opposed to the JHP. Since I don't have the capability yet to reload, I'm trying to keep the ammo cost down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dawg05 Posted October 1, 2004 Author Share Posted October 1, 2004 Almost forgot. Thanks for the help. It will make the wife a bit happier saving a few bucks per box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 1, 2004 Share Posted October 1, 2004 For what you pay for factory ammo...you could buy a Dillon reload setup and be money ahead in short time. Natchezss.com likely has CCI/Blazer ammo in 10mm We put a KKM 40 barrel in the G20. Even cheaper to feed. Works great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Is there a difference between a barrel for a G22 and G20? Same question goes for mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JFD Posted December 4, 2004 Share Posted December 4, 2004 Ok, I've found the answers to my own questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted December 5, 2004 Share Posted December 5, 2004 Just so everybody know... The G22/35 are a regular sized frame, The G20 is a large framed gun. Mags and barrels (from the regular frame) are NOT interchangeable with the G20. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olp73 Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 For what you pay for factory ammo...you could buy a Dillon reload setup and be money ahead in short time.Natchezss.com likely has CCI/Blazer ammo in 10mm We put a KKM 40 barrel in the G20. Even cheaper to feed. Works great. Are you telling me that a Glock 20 can be converted to 40sw by just switching the barrel? If so, this setup should accept long 40 loads too? Is it legal for IPSC standard division? I have always been uncomfortable with the grip on the Glock 22. So, for me this sounds like a really good idea. olp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spook Posted December 6, 2004 Share Posted December 6, 2004 Yes olp73, it is legal for IPSC Standard. The onlt "problem" to me seems magazine capacity. I don't know of any IPSC-box legal magazinde extentions for the G20. You could probably have some custom made though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garrett Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I purchased a Glock 20 a few years ago and am now looking to get into IDPA or GSSF. As far as I know, you should be okay in IDPA. You will need to switch back to your factory barrel to be legal in GSSF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jcmios Posted December 26, 2004 Share Posted December 26, 2004 If I were you I would find a way to start reloading. You don't need to go all out right away, Lee has a good set up starter set for about $100.00 and it has all that you need to safely get started. You will recoup your costs within a few shooting sessions. Best of all is you learn a lot and it is fun. As time goes by you can save up for a Dillon press and speed things up. I started 32 years ago with a single stage press, dies, powder measure, scale, trimmer and two reloading manuals. I learned a lot about what makes an accurate reload. Now I have 2 Dillon 650's and one 550. I reload for 16 different calibers and really enjoy it. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg5 Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 We put a KKM 40 barrel in the G20. Even cheaper to feed. Works great. Flex, where did ya' get the KKM 40 conversion? Do you have to do any other work to any of the workings of the pistol? how about mags? 40 is a bit shorter than the 10, so not sure how that works in the magazine area. Thanks for the help. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 We put a KKM 40 barrel in the G20. Even cheaper to feed. Works great. Flex, where did ya' get the KKM 40 conversion? Do you have to do any other work to any of the workings of the pistol? how about mags? 40 is a bit shorter than the 10, so not sure how that works in the magazine area. Thanks for the help. I think I got it straight from KKM Precision. I put in a stainless (captured) rod and a lighter recoil spring, both from ISMI. I think I went with a 13# spring. 40's run fine in the G20 mags. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmills Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 For IDPA competition you may not change the barrel in the Glock 20 to .40S&W. The following is directly from the rulebook: From SSP rules: "6. A barrel of another caliber that is not offered in the original factory model." From ESP rules: "3. Internal accuracy work (includes: replacement of the barrel with one of factory configuration, the use of Accu-Rails, the use of Briley Bushings)." Hope this helps.............. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 10, 2005 Share Posted January 10, 2005 Roy, I knew you couldn't change caliber in ESP (thought about running 38 super Comp), but in the rule you quote for SSP... "another caliber"...the literal meaning of caliber is the diameter fo the bullet. 40 and 10mm are the same caliber. (just asking...I'm not up to date on IDPA rules) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Just piling on ... I own a G20 that I put an EFK .40sw bbl into ... have shot it at 12+ local USPSA matches ... never one problem ... NOT ONE. Use the regular G20 mags ... regular G20 recoil spring ... regular G20 everything ... just drop in the new bbl and test-fire. I have particularly large hands and have always preferred my G20 grip over G34/G35 ... it's made a tremendous difference in speed/accuracy. One could argue a slight competitive advantage as the .40sw bbl has a shorter chamber and, therefore, more weight at that location. But, considering the G34/G35, I'd like to meet the guy who says this isn't "Hoyle". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg5 Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Since i would be shooting in ESP, it shouldn't be a problem right? Flex you have a good point with the whole 10mm being the same caliber as the .40. so if you are going by the SSP rules even it technically shouldn't be a problem, depending on how the IDPA powers that be rule on it. Not planning on shooting in SSP anyway so the caliber change shouldn't be an issue. Thanks for all the clarification. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmills Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Roy,I knew you couldn't change caliber in ESP (thought about running 38 super Comp), but in the rule you quote for SSP... "another caliber"...the literal meaning of caliber is the diameter fo the bullet. 40 and 10mm are the same caliber. (just asking...I'm not up to date on IDPA rules) Flex: If the factory configuration for a specific model # is for instance 10mm, one could not change out the barrel and shoot .40S&W at a match. At local matches it probably wouldn't be an issue with the SO's or MD's. However, at a major match the change would not be permitted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shred Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Boy that opens a can of worms.. would .40 in a 10mm barrel (bad idea, but just for arguments sake) be legal? How about .38 in .357 chambers? 38 Supercomp in 38 Super barrels? It would be a lot easier to use the original definition of "caliber" (meaning: diameter of bullet) and leave what the headstamp says alone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted January 11, 2005 Share Posted January 11, 2005 Flex:If the factory configuration for a specific model # is for instance 10mm, one could not change out the barrel and shoot .40S&W at a match. At local matches it probably wouldn't be an issue with the SO's or MD's. However, at a major match the change would not be permitted. Say's who? There's waaaaaayy too much room for interpretation for anyone other than Bill to lay down the law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmills Posted January 12, 2005 Share Posted January 12, 2005 Since i would be shooting in ESP, it shouldn't be a problem right? Flex you have a good point with the whole 10mm being the same caliber as the .40. so if you are going by the SSP rules even it technically shouldn't be a problem, depending on how the IDPA powers that be rule on it. Not planning on shooting in SSP anyway so the caliber change shouldn't be an issue. Thanks for all the clarification. Glock did not manufacture a large frame pistol in .40S&W, only 10mm and .45acp. When the rulebook states "replacement of the barrel with one of factory configuration" for ESP division, factory configuration refers to cartridge type and barrel type (i.e. link vs. linkless, etc.). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dawg5 Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 I think the issue is that there is no clarification in the rule book one way or the other. does the rule book clarify the definition of "caliber" or "Factory configuration" or did i miss it? It's not that I have an aversion to shooting the 10mm, just .40 has a bit less recoil and is cheaper to shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted January 13, 2005 Share Posted January 13, 2005 If you are reloading, I don't think there will be a recoil difference in favor of the 40. (TDean could answer that better, since he made his trip to Grand Master by putting rounds thru the G20.) Cheaper to shoot...I am with you there. Cheap brass, and no having to setup the press to load for large pistol/primers. And, it sure is nice to be able to go to Wal-mart and pick up some val-u-pak Winchester ammo (which runs just fine in my G20 with KKM 40 barrel). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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