ChuckS Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Hi there, Since our BOD was nice enough to give us something to chat about over the holidays, I started to see many statements about the "intent of production". I didn't recall seeing anything in writing so I went dumpster diving in the old minutes files on www.uspsa.org. The only purpose statement I found was in the 22 Jan 2000 minutes: "The purpose of production division is to open USPSA to new shooters, manufacturers and sponsors." Does anyone know of any other such statements from either the USPSA or IPSC archives? I am not asking what you think it should be, just what the elders put in writing for our organization. Please cite the source! Later, Chuck PS: So far, we are meeting the purpose... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Production was adopted by IPSC at the 1999 World Shoot in Cebu. The .pdf from the IPSC General Assembly is here 19.17 Motion: That Production not be adopted as an IPSC Division. Moved:Seconded:For: 7Denied Finland Israel Against: 27 Abstain: 0 19.18 Motion: That the maximum barrel length in Production Division be 5inches (127mm). Moved:Seconded:For: 28Carried Germany Argentina Against: 4 Abstain: 2 19.19 Motion: That section c) be deleted from Production Division. Moved:Seconded:For: 34Carried South Africa Brazil Against: 0 Abstain: 0 19.20 Motion: That there be no magazine capacity restrictions in Production Division, and that section i) bedeleted. Moved: Australia 12 Seconded: Israel For: 27 Against: 5 Abstain: 2Carried 19.21 Motion: That there be no specific holster position in Production Division, and that the 1st sentence insection j) be deleted. Moved:Seconded:For: 6Denied AustriaNetherlandsAgainst: 26 Abstain: 2 19.22 Motion: That there be no minimum trigger pull in Production Division, and that section h) be deleted. Moved:Seconded:For: 7Denied Austria Hong Kong Against: 23 Abstain: 4 Further amendments to Production at the 2000 General Assembly 15-33 Appendix EProduction Division Minimum power factor 125-scored to be scored as MinorMoved: Netherlands Seconded: USA Carried For-38 Against-1 Abstain-1 15-35 Appendix E Production Division Only make and model of handguns specifically approved by the IPSC General Assembly may compete in ProductionDivision. The IPSC President will provide all accredited Regions with an approved list of handguns detailing themanufacturer, make and model by the 31st of January each year and this will be considered the definitive list for thefollowing twelve months of competition Moved: Israel Seconded: UK Denied For-6 Against-33 Abstain-1 15-36 Appendix EProduction Division Maximum weight - Yes, 2 ounces over factory specifiedMinimum trigger pull - No Maximum barrel length - No Magazine length restriction - No Sights - Square notch and post only Box - Yes Production guns only - Yes,2000 made one year production DA, DA/SA, Safe Action pistol only- Slip on grip sock and/or skateboard tape is allowed. - Action work to enhance reliability (throating, trigger work, etc.) is allowed. - External modifications other than sights not allowed - Heavy barrels and /or barrel sleeves (factory or after market) not allowed. - No weighted attachments allowed to magazines Moved: USA Seconded: Australia Denied For-4 Against-35 Abstain-1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 Thanks for the info. (I guess I could of dug a little deeper to find that ) It is interesting to see that there were 9 regions that didn't not want the division. I wonder what was behind that. Later, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
diehli Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I'm not finding any intent in the IPSC minutes. Did I miss something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 13, 2012 Author Share Posted January 13, 2012 I'm not finding any intent in the IPSC minutes. Did I miss something? No. I did a quick scan of some of the other GA minutes and didn't see anything either. I will look around more closely when I get time. Later, Chuck Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tpcdvc Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Well, whatever the "intent" was, it is now a very sucessful division at present. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 I think I that within the 38+ pages of the BoD meeting thread, Rob had posted something that characterized all the divisions. I don't quite recall how official those were and what source he used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 No. I did a quick scan of some of the other GA minutes and didn't see anything either. I will look around more closely when I get time. There was a presentation given in 1999 at Cebu by the IPSC President (I think) about the new division but it is not shown in the official minutes. Perhaps an email to IPSC may be required to see if they still have a copy of it. Part of the presentation was a video of Todd Jarrett shooting a Para-LDA, they also had an LDA at the meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vluc Posted January 13, 2012 Share Posted January 13, 2012 Interesting that the "intent" is not readily available (as one would think it should be) but everyone who wants to change it swears by this "intent" Must be like porn, they can't define it but they know it when they see it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uzi Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) hello, there is a file in global village show history of production but i don't no way to post here. Edited January 14, 2012 by uzi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted January 14, 2012 Author Share Posted January 14, 2012 (edited) hello, there is a file in global village show history of production but i don't no way to post here. Hi there, Thanks for the tip! Here is is:PD Philosophy.pdf Later, Chuck Edit: one caveat: This was written in 2006 so it is an after the fact publication. Edited January 14, 2012 by ChuckS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevin c Posted January 14, 2012 Share Posted January 14, 2012 That was an interesting read, indeed. It may not translate directly into our own situation here in the States, but it's good to know at least one historical perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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