Handcannon500 Posted November 11, 2011 Share Posted November 11, 2011 Anyone use Winchester 231 under a 165grn Berry's? If so,how much? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robin303 Posted November 13, 2011 Share Posted November 13, 2011 http://data.hodgdon.com/main_menu.asp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntedfuture Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 I tried it and gave up. Very inconsistent ignition and velocity with standard primers. I would look elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted November 15, 2011 Share Posted November 15, 2011 Anyone use Winchester 231 under a 165grn Berry's? If so,how much? I don't shoot .40, but use WW231 for 9mm and .45 with good luck. May not be the best to make .40 major, but should be okay to make .40 minor. Good luck, Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g56 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 I tried it and gave up. Very inconsistent ignition and velocity with standard primers. I would look elsewhere. If you couldn't get WW231 to work in 40 S&W (or any other pistol caliber) you were doing something wrong, it is extremely consistent in velocity and there's absolutely no problem igniting it with standard primers. A significant percentage of pistol match shooters load it for competition shooting, they wouldn't do that if it didn't work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaster113 Posted November 20, 2011 Share Posted November 20, 2011 used to use HP38(twin of 231) for .40 major for a while when I couldnt get anything else. recoil impulse wasnt bad but its not as soft as N320 or Solo. I didnt like the sooty crap that it left behind with jhps and lead/moly so thats why I switched. never had problems with inconsistent velocity or ignition but then I live at sea level and used small rifle primers exclusively since I couldnt get any small pistol primers at the time. since moved on to other powders. I would use it again as an alternate if I couldnt find my main two powders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dauntedfuture Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 Lots of shooters here in EL paso and in KC all said the same thing. 231 can be hard to light. Super velocity ES from 600-100 with same load and im doing everythign right. Some powders are hard to light and this did not work for me and many others. This was with lead, possibly jacketed bullets would have worked. All was fine with same loads with SR primers for hotter spark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hi-Power Jack Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 231 can be hard to light. This was with lead, possibly jacketed bullets would have worked. All was fine with same loads with SR primers for hotter spark. I shot 1,000's of .45 with lead bullets, standard primers and never had a problem with WW231 ... Jack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalaur Posted November 21, 2011 Share Posted November 21, 2011 (edited) I tried it and gave up. Very inconsistent ignition and velocity with standard primers. I would look elsewhere. If you couldn't get WW231 to work in 40 S&W (or any other pistol caliber) you were doing something wrong, it is extremely consistent in velocity and there's absolutely no problem igniting it with standard primers. A significant percentage of pistol match shooters load it for competition shooting, they wouldn't do that if it didn't work. I had similar issues, very large standard deviation when chronoing, even when using small rifle primers. IIRC, this was with around 5-5.4g of 231 on a 180 FMJ at 1.190 Edited November 21, 2011 by kalaur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g56 Posted November 22, 2011 Share Posted November 22, 2011 I have standard deviations running (on average) under 20 fps using 231 and Winchester primers, last I checked, that was pretty darn good. If you have excessive deviations in velocity using 231, you might need to change your brand of primer or check your crimp, its not the powder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ironman5669 Posted December 6, 2011 Share Posted December 6, 2011 I have shot about 15 pounds of 231 and hp38 at major 40 over the last three years, absolutely NO problems at all Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted December 9, 2011 Share Posted December 9, 2011 At least 25 lbs of 231 over the last 25 year. Never a problem at all. It is the most consistent I've ever used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
s_gorilla45 Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 5.0 gr of 231 with Montana Gold 165 gr HP was the most boringly consistent and accurate load I've ever used out of my G35. It is a bit harsher than Solo or N320 but it's like parts for a 350 Chevy, you can find it anywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snertley Posted December 10, 2011 Share Posted December 10, 2011 I have not loaded with Berrys but have used W231 for about 15yrs. For me it works wonderfully in 9mm, .40S&W .38/.357 and 45 ACP. I use it in my revo's with Federal primers without any issues. I used to use MG bullents in .40 but switched to Moly bullets for the last few years. If you are worried about 15-20 fps deviation then maybe you should start sorting and weighing your brass. (realy not worth spending any time on). I have never had an ignition issue and I use mixed brass and what ever primer I have on hand. And if you use moly bullets you will drop about a grain of powder from what you use on a FMJ bullet. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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