Flork Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 So I'm poking around looking at holster rules for Production Division and was hoping to find the info, but it seems to be alluding me. The Blade-Tech DOH (http://blade-tech.com/Black-Ice-DOH-pr-1211.html) is it legal for Production? I've been hearing that it is, but I can't find the official ruling on it. Can anybody shed some light on it for me please? Thanks. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Scott, As I understand it, it's legal. As long as you still meet the 2" from gun to the belt (Appendix D4, 10.) and the heel of the gun os above the belt (5.2.7.2), so should be good to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 Holsters are not recognized by brand name. If it meets the metric listed as to where it positions the gun and the other descriptive values, it is OK. If not, well that is another issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flork Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 I agree with all that, but my gun sits at 2.25" from the inner belt at rest on my body so it would be illegal. That's why I was asking for clarification. I found another thread saying it was legal, but I'm trying to make 100% sure. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 5.2.7 Competitors must not be permitted to commence a course of fire wearing: 5.2.7.1 A shoulder holster or “tie-down” rig (visible or otherwise), except as specified in Rule 5.2.8, 5.2.7.2 A holster with the heel of the butt of the handgun below the top of the belt, except as specified in Appendix D, or otherwise indicated in Rule 5.2.8. 5.2.7.3 A holster with the muzzle of the handgun pointing further than 3 feet from the competitor’s feet while standing relaxed, 5.2.7.4 A holster which does not completely prevent access to, or activation of, the trigger of the handgun while holstered. AND 20 Holster restrictions •Suitable for everyday use. “Race gun” type holster prohibited. •May not be manufactured or cut lower than, and must cover the slide up to, ½” below the ejection port You can get that holster closer than 2 inches. About a million other Production shooters have. Make sure your overlaps are away from each other and cinch it up tight to shoot with. If that don't work put a small washer or spacer under the bottom screws of the Hanger. That will bring the nose out a little and the top of the gun in. Don't get carried away as a little washer goes a long way. I have seen a few guys have problems with the butt of the gun ending up too low. Something to do with their particular body style. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAFO Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 (edited) I agree with all that, but my gun sits at 2.25" from the inner belt at rest on my body so it would be illegal. That's why I was asking for clarification. I found another thread saying it was legal, but I'm trying to make 100% sure. Scott In that case, it's best to follow Sarge's advice and do a little modification to make up that 1/4". There's nothing about the holster's design that's otherwise illegal. Edited April 20, 2011 by JAFO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flork Posted April 20, 2011 Author Share Posted April 20, 2011 I'm looking at just bolting the holster to the belt...that will take out most of the gap problem. Thanks guys. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted April 20, 2011 Share Posted April 20, 2011 I'm looking at just bolting the holster to the belt...that will take out most of the gap problem. Thanks guys. Scott Then you just have a Stingray. Work on the rig a little bit. You will appreciate the Dropped and offset feature more than running it up under your armpit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark R Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Remove the Drop and Offset (DOH) adapter for Production and IDPA, leave it on for Limited...no worries then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Remove the Drop and Offset (DOH) adapter for Production and IDPA, leave it on for Limited...no worries then. At the Battle in the Bluegrass I had Gary Stevens check my rig before the match. I shot Production with the DOH. And.... I was NOT moved to open. A.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztecdriver Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I run it as stock as possible with a CR speed belt - no issues. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark R Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Remove the Drop and Offset (DOH) adapter for Production and IDPA, leave it on for Limited...no worries then. At the Battle in the Bluegrass I had Gary Stevens check my rig before the match. I shot Production with the DOH. And.... I was NOT moved to open. A.T. Awesome...I measured mine and it was close...so I removed it just to be sure. With the DOH adapter installed, it is close. Without it, good to go for sure. Guess it depends on how much comes over the belt to measure from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gary Stevens Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Remove the Drop and Offset (DOH) adapter for Production and IDPA, leave it on for Limited...no worries then. At the Battle in the Bluegrass I had Gary Stevens check my rig before the match. I shot Production with the DOH. And.... I was NOT moved to open. A.T. This time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Remove the Drop and Offset (DOH) adapter for Production and IDPA, leave it on for Limited...no worries then. At the Battle in the Bluegrass I had Gary Stevens check my rig before the match. I shot Production with the DOH. And.... I was NOT moved to open. A.T. This time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flork Posted April 21, 2011 Author Share Posted April 21, 2011 I put my DOH on yesterday and double checked it and I was right at 2.25" on my CR Speed Belt. I've got a spankin new Talon Tactical that fits the gun real well and works great, maybe I'll just switch to that. Scott Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Remove the Drop and Offset (DOH) adapter for Production and IDPA, leave it on for Limited...no worries then. All six divisions have the same restrictions on distance from the inner side of the belt. If the holster is non-compliant with Production rules for this reason, it will also be non-compliant as a Limited holster.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdm74 Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 All DOH holsters seem to measeure at 2.25". Mine was also that distance and I had to modify it to pass. How can they be legal if they all seem to measure over Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skydiver Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 All DOH holsters seem to measeure at 2.25". Mine was also that distance and I had to modify it to pass. How can they be legal if they all seem to measure over 2.25" with the stingray? Or with the paddle? Or with the tech-lok? I'm guessing one of those was the original configuration and was perfectly legal, but changing over to a different base changed things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 All DOH holsters seem to measeure at 2.25". Mine was also that distance and I had to modify it to pass. How can they be legal if they all seem to measure over Mine pass, but they're so old, they're still on original belt hangers, from long before it was a three piece holster/hanger.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a.roberts Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Given that the DOH (with the three piece assembly)ends up angling the holster, Is the two-inch measurement taken at the rearmost of the slide? Or is it that somewhere along the length of the slide must be within two inches from the inner belt? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nik Habicht Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Given that the DOH (with the three piece assembly)ends up angling the holster, Is the two-inch measurement taken at the rearmost of the slide? Or is it that somewhere along the length of the slide must be within two inches from the inner belt? Look at Appendix E2, and then read Rules 5.2.5 and its subsections.... In this case a picture really is worth a 1000 words.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flork Posted April 22, 2011 Author Share Posted April 22, 2011 2.25" with the stingray? Or with the paddle? Or with the tech-lok? I'm guessing one of those was the original configuration and was perfectly legal, but changing over to a different base changed things. I've got the stingray, looks like that's the closest it gets to the body. I've decided to go with my Talon Tactical because it's easily under the 2" mark and I don't have to worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staudacher Posted April 23, 2011 Share Posted April 23, 2011 2.25" with the stingray? Or with the paddle? Or with the tech-lok? I'm guessing one of those was the original configuration and was perfectly legal, but changing over to a different base changed things. I've got the stingray, looks like that's the closest it gets to the body. I've decided to go with my Talon Tactical because it's easily under the 2" mark and I don't have to worry. Scott I ran into the same issue with my DOH blade tech. It was measuring 2.25". At first I solved the problem by making my own DOH hanger from some kydex sheet. However when I tried a DAA belt instead of CRspeed I was able to go back to the Blade Tech DOH hanger because the DAA belt didn't twist as much under the weight of my X5 AR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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