Sarge Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 If I shoot through a barrel which is hard cover for a popper and knock down said popper, is that REF? Rule # please. I looked but didn't find this specific situation. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 9.1.6 and 9.1.6.2. Reshoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Lord Gomer Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Sarge....quit shooting the barrels, mkay? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven Cline Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 (edited) 9.1.6.2 If a bullet strikes wholly within hard cover, and continues on to hit a plate or strike down a popper; this will be treated as range equipment failure (see Section.4.6). The competitor will be required to reshoot the course of fire, after it has been restored. Edited October 25, 2010 by Steven Cline Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Ya, don't do that! JT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Why are you shooting the barrel? A.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 25, 2010 Author Share Posted October 25, 2010 Jeez guys I just said it was me so I would not seem like I was picking on another shooter. You are not buying that are you? How about the fact that it was a white barrel right next to the popper? I could not clearly make out the popper? No Dice huh? What really troubles me is the rulebook. I have a hard time finding stuff in it. Thanks again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atbarr Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 What really troubles me is the rulebook. I have a hard time finding stuff in it. Thanks again. Understand this completely. A.T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ima45dv8 Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Not getting much love today, huh Sarge? What really troubles me is the rulebook. I have a hard time finding stuff in it. You're not alone! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarge Posted October 25, 2010 Author Share Posted October 25, 2010 Not getting much love today, huh Sarge? What really troubles me is the rulebook. I have a hard time finding stuff in it. You're not alone! It is amazing to read something, understand it then never be able to find it again. Such a little book too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
High Lord Gomer Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 What really troubles me is the rulebook. I have a hard time finding stuff in it. If you download it from: http://www.uspsa.org/uspsa-rules.php (Right click on the first link and "Save target As...") You can search it rather easily. I did a search for "hard cover" and it was one of the first matches. I still don't understand why you are shooting the barrels. Are there fish in them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbbean Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 How about the fact that it was a white barrel right next to the popper? I could not clearly make out the popper? That was a no-shoot barrel. Procedural! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I shot a stage recently that had no shoot targets in front of a texas star. I'm not sure how many re-shoots should have been awarded if REF was called every time a shooter shot through the no-shoots and hit a plate. We would probably still be on the stage. Yes, I know bad stage design is no excuse for not enforcing the rulebook. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 (edited) I shot a stage recently that had no shoot targets in front of a texas star. I'm not sure how many re-shoots should have been awarded if REF was called every time a shooter shot through the no-shoots and hit a plate. We would probably still be on the stage. Yes, I know bad stage design is no excuse for not enforcing the rulebook. Yes, they made the wrong call for the right reason. I would have never allowed that stage to be shot, nor would I have made the call the RO did, but I was not an official. All they needed to do was move the NS "behind" the star and they would have the same stage with no shoot through REFs. They also had some other calls and designs I would not have made/approved, but I promised the MD I wouldn't bust his balls on Enos. JT Edited October 25, 2010 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztecdriver Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I shot a stage recently that had no shoot targets in front of a texas star. I'm not sure how many re-shoots should have been awarded if REF was called every time a shooter shot through the no-shoots and hit a plate. We would probably still be on the stage. Yes, I know bad stage design is no excuse for not enforcing the rulebook. Yes, they made the wrong call for the right reason. I would have never allowed that stage to be shot, nor would I have made the call the RO did, but I was not an official. All they needed to do was move the NS "behind" the star and they would have the same stage with no shoot through REFs. They also had some other calls and designs I would not have made/approved, but I promised the MD I wouldn't bust his balls on Enos. JT How about keep the no shoot in front of the star just put a steel plate behind it. I'd hate to see the argument from the guy that says he shot plate and the round continued and hit the no shoot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I shot a stage recently that had no shoot targets in front of a texas star. I'm not sure how many re-shoots should have been awarded if REF was called every time a shooter shot through the no-shoots and hit a plate. We would probably still be on the stage. Yes, I know bad stage design is no excuse for not enforcing the rulebook. Yes, they made the wrong call for the right reason. I would have never allowed that stage to be shot, nor would I have made the call the RO did, but I was not an official. All they needed to do was move the NS "behind" the star and they would have the same stage with no shoot through REFs. They also had some other calls and designs I would not have made/approved, but I promised the MD I wouldn't bust his balls on Enos. JT I think we are talking about two different matches. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I shot a stage recently that had no shoot targets in front of a texas star. I'm not sure how many re-shoots should have been awarded if REF was called every time a shooter shot through the no-shoots and hit a plate. We would probably still be on the stage. Yes, I know bad stage design is no excuse for not enforcing the rulebook. Yes, they made the wrong call for the right reason. I would have never allowed that stage to be shot, nor would I have made the call the RO did, but I was not an official. All they needed to do was move the NS "behind" the star and they would have the same stage with no shoot through REFs. They also had some other calls and designs I would not have made/approved, but I promised the MD I wouldn't bust his balls on Enos. JT How about keep the no shoot in front of the star just put a steel plate behind it. I'd hate to see the argument from the guy that says he shot plate and the round continued and hit the no shoot. The no shoots were closer than 23 ft. I would also think the splatter off of the steel back through the no shoots could cause a mess that would be hard to score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 I shot a stage recently that had no shoot targets in front of a texas star. I'm not sure how many re-shoots should have been awarded if REF was called every time a shooter shot through the no-shoots and hit a plate. We would probably still be on the stage. Yes, I know bad stage design is no excuse for not enforcing the rulebook. Yes, they made the wrong call for the right reason. I would have never allowed that stage to be shot, nor would I have made the call the RO did, but I was not an official. All they needed to do was move the NS "behind" the star and they would have the same stage with no shoot through REFs. They also had some other calls and designs I would not have made/approved, but I promised the MD I wouldn't bust his balls on Enos. JT I think we are talking about two different matches. Yes, we are... same thing though NS+Steel=FUBAR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted October 25, 2010 Share Posted October 25, 2010 Steel no-shoots would work, as long as you met the minimum safe distances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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