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Open the door, take a step or two uprange, go prone or kneeling? Hard to say for sure without being on the stage.

Your infinite plane idea is difficult for me to reconcile with the idea that a target may be creased (as in a late shoot on a turner) and not penetrated. It would be vanishingly unlikely for a shot to touch the target and not have its slender cylinder penetrate the infinite plane. It would need to be perfectly parallel. Please explain how you reconcile these ideas. Actually, this demonstration shows that the bullet penetrated the plane of the target. That's all.

5.5.2 Spare magazines, speed loading devices or ammunition dropped or discarded by a competitor after the start signal may be retrieved, however, their retrieval is, at all times, subject to all safety rules. I'm saying yes.

If I didn't stop until I was happy with the results...

This is a question: 8.3.2 “Are You Ready?” this is not: 8.3.6 “If You Are Finished, Unload And Show Clear” I'm not sure how it can be much clearer. By the way, If is a conditional.

IUAFUASC is a command, not a question. You don't need, and shouldn't have, a lengthy pause during it. The pause should be after the whole command, as you verify that they are clear.

5.6.1.1 The power factor rating to enable a competitor's scores to be included in match results is called "Minor". Some Divisions offer a higher power factor rating called "Major", which enables competitors to earn more points for peripheral shots on scoring paper targets. 39. If the resultant power factor fails to meet the minimum power factor floor for the relevant Division, the competitor may continue shooting the match, but not for score or match recognition. 41. If a competitor's match ammunition is retested, or if any authorized replacement ammunition is used, and different power factors are recorded when tested according to these rules, the lower power factor must be applied to all courses of fire, including those already completed by the competitor If it was a level 1 match he could enter in a different division for score (6.2.4.1). At any level, he could enter a different division and not have his score count (6.2.4). What I don't see, probabaly because it is so obvious that no one thought to put it in the rulebook, is something limiting how many times you can enter in the same division.

If he stayed in the same division, or if it was a level 1 match, I can't find a rule that specifically makes it illegal. I hope I'm just missing it.

hmmn...okay...so theoretically if you were a MD/RO/RM who didn't exactly agree with the whole principle of USPSA's popper calibration procedure and you feel that a shooter should get a reshoot automatically, that it is a range equipment malfunction, you could deliberately shoot at the top of the popper, the popper falls and the shooter gets a reshoot. and theoretically, all of the people in the peanut gallery who are witnesses to the calibration get to see you play dumb as you say, "aww, shucks, I musta jerked the trigger. the competitor gets a reshoot. tape and reset everything, everybody!" and the peanut gallery folks are none the wiser. I'm not saying that's what I would do. but theoretically, that's possible. along those same lines if you're an RO and you like a particular shooter or you're buds with him, you could shoot the popper high on purpose out of the calibration zone so he gets a reshoot. or if you hate the shooter, you could shoot as high as possible in the calibration zone, hoping that the popper does fall over and the shooter racks up a miss and possibly a bunch of FTE's for not engaging any other targets that might have activated. The rules are written with the intent that they will be followed by the match officials. It's difficult to imagine a set of rules that could not be misused by dishonest officials. All sorts of abuse are theoretically possible, but ultimately our sport will not work without honest officials.

22.2 Grips – any addition or removal of material which changes the factory profile or adds function such as beavertail or thumb rest. As noted above (21.4) Revolver grips may be replaced with OEM or aftermarket grips of any shape, profile and surface texture. 22.2 is deemed to NOT APPLY to REVOLVER grips. Adding or removing material to change the profile of Revolver grips is ALLOWED. It's just not that obvious to me. If the word(s) 'glue', 'adhere' or anything similar were in 22.2, I'd probably agree, but absent that, putting a grip sleeve on definitely would change the profile on a Gen 1 frame. This could be one of those rare instances of me looking at something from a practical viewpoint. The rules specifically allow sleeves, and the finger-groove Hogues are one of the most common sleeves I know of. The restriction on profile can easily (and I think correctly) be read to allow finger-groove sleeves. Why not let the rules peacefully coexist? According to D21 if someone says that my finger-groove sleeve is non-compliant, I need only identify a specific rules clause that allows the sleeve. I would point out 21.4.

Correct. It would add finger grooves that weren't part of the factory standard for that frame. The rulebook specifically allows grip sleeves. 22.2 pretty obviously applies to grinding off or adding (gluing, molding) material. Where are you guys getting that the allowed grip sleeves are restricted?

Yup.

That's how a bump to open wouldn't hurt so much, if you were lucky and got to reshoot your earlier stage(s) with your open equipment.

I would only penalize the competitor if it was very obvious; if he was halfway through ULASC, and someone yelled "steel", and he looked over, saw steel standing, looked suprised, reloaded, and engaged it, I might penalize him. The added time would probably be worse than taking a mike. If I could determine who yelled I'd try to penalize them.

Wow. I was expecting him to say that you could carry a mag in your hand however you liked. This opens a massive can of worms, in that a production shooter can carry a mag in his hand behind his hipbone, but can only (I now think) move it in front if he is loading. I can just see the arb: I moved it in front because I intended to load, and then realized that I should wait until after the next array. I moved it back as soon as I figured it out." This could really benefit from an official NROI ruling.

How should an RO decide which rules to follow? How would he know that the next RO would ignore the same rules he chooses to?

I don't think that the WSB supersedes division requirements.

Which rulebook is this in?

From 5.2.4: "unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure" Beats me.

You can't carry them in your hand, unless specifically allowed to do so in the WSB, because your hand is not a retention device attached to the belt and specifically designed for that purpose, nor is it an apparel pocket.

Pretty darn close. The back right array was closer and the to the right more. A few barrels set up here and there to reduce the angles of viewing. other than that, pretty spot on. So which part is illegal??? You pullin' my chain Gomer? 4.2.1 There are two types of paper targets approved for use in USPSA Handgun matches (see Appendix B ). These types must not be included together in any stage.

Now I want a beer.

Rule 5.2.4, when it says, "5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. 5.2.4 allows it after the start signal. I can't find a rule allowing it before the start signal, but I can't find one forbidding it either. May I humbly suggest you are looking at it incorrectly. You don't need a rule allowing for a "thing." Every "thing" is allowed unless it is prohibitted. Sometimes the prohibitted "thing" is very clearly identified, othertimes it is generally prohibitted, but the prohibitted "thing" is only prohibitted when we have a prohibition. There must be a rule prohibitting a "thing." A lot of "things" are allowed for in stage design and none of those "things" are specifically named in the rules. They are allowed because they are not prohibitted. Now that we understand that we don't need a rule allowing something, we look for the rule prohibitting it. There is a rule prohibitting the placement of ammo on the table (since the rule requires ammo on the belt or in apparel submit to additional rules) BUT there is also an exception to that rule: "...unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure..." This exception, the words, "during the course of fire" can not be read seperate from "after the start signal." They go together, and together they mean that after the start signal spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose unless stipulated otherwise in thh stage procedure. This means it is not a violation of rule 5.2.4 to have the shooter place the ammunition on the table if it is stipulated in the stage procedure that the ammunition be on the table. I don't think I'm looking at it incorrectly. I can't find a rule about it one way or the other, as I posted. I haven't posted that I don't think it is allowed; in fact I do think it is allowed.

Rule 5.2.4, when it says, "5.2.4 During the course of fire, after the start signal, unless stipulated otherwise in the stage procedure, spare ammunition, magazines and/or speed loading devices shall be carried in retention devices attached to the competitor's belt and specifically designed for that purpose. 5.2.4 allows it after the start signal. I can't find a rule allowing it before the start signal, but I can't find one forbidding it either.

See 5.2.4 and 3.2.5 I think I was wrong. 5.2.4 only allows the WSB to OK ammo on the table after the start signal. I can't find a rule that allows ammo on the table before the start signal.