Alleycatdad

How 'bout "The Yo Bro Rowdy Rimfire Rodeo?" ;)

This was also part of an RO training FEbruary 2021.... Just sayin. SA

Limited 10 may be nice to have ready to go depending on current events. It's easy to dismiss it if you're not in a magazine-limited state or you're not worried about breaking the law, but a federal restriction could change that for new competitors.... Just sayin. SA

This^^^ SA

Minor clarification: The hit in question in the original post was a perfect, full-diameter hit, sans grease ring. SA

It's the black around the hole... SA

Thanks, you guys. This is where we ended up. Nobody wants to go to war over a single mike in a local match, especially with the guy who's putting on the match for us to go shoot. The odds of it happening again are minimal. The lesson for the girl appears to be , "Hey can you show me the rule on that?" Much appreciated! SA A40822

So at a recent local match, while scoring the RO noted that a full diameter hit on the target had no obvious grease ring and called it a hard-cover hit (Mike). While there was indeed a barrel adjacent to the target, the barrel did not appear to be in front of the target from the location at which the shooter engaged that target. There was quite a bit of insistence from a non-RO taper that the hit should not score because of the missing grease ring, and this did indeed end up being the call. The shooter objected, noting that no hole in the (pretty shot up before we started) barrel aligned with the hole in the target from her shooting position, and asked the RO where, exactly, he felt she had hit the barrel? His response was a vague wave at the barrel saying "it had to have been one of these", called the Mike call final, and moved on. The RO (also the match director) did state that with a grease ring, the shot would have scored. At no time did anyone claim to have witnessed a barrel hit or barrel motion while the target was engaged. So...where in the rules does it say that a hit must have a grease ring to score? Would you, as the RO, at least have returned to the position from which she engaged the target to see if indeed the barrel could come between the target and the shooter? If the RO is unable to say, "I saw it hit right here while she was shooting", is the lack of a grease ring sufficient to disallow the hit? If no one suspected a barrel hit other than the loudmouthed taper, and you as the RO were unable to align a barrel hole with the shot in question, ("must be one of those..."), how would you rule? Last--as the shooter, would you be out of line to suggest the taper let the RO do his job and STFU? In this case, the 16-y/o girl would probably rather take the mike than tell the elderly loudmouth to back off (cause she was raised right), but what rule would be broken were she to back him off, in the absence of the RO doing so? Would you as the shooter address the taper directly or ask the RO to back him off? At the end of the day, it's one Mike at a local match and done and over with...had there been a clear barrel hit or a hole that lined up with the hit there'd have been no issue, but is the simple lack of a grease ring with adjacent hard cover sufficient to call it a Mike? Your call?

Actually, I was really pretty happy with the way this went. Didn't go whine to the RO or MD, came to me straight up and expressed his concern. Start with that, and we can have an adult conversation and maybe all learn something. Thanks again! Steve

Thanks!

USPSA production question... My daughter has started shooting her Beretta 92FS in USPSA production division. Last weekend we were firmly told that her Hogue grips with the wrap around finger grooves are not production legal, but when we went to the rule book, we (myself and the shooter with the opinion) could not find the applicable rule, and were then given another opinion that this was an older prohibition and no longer applies. I cannot find a clear answer to this one in the book: D4.21.4 says. "21.4 Grips -Grip modifications such as, but not limited to, undercutting/smoothing the trigger guard, adding or removing finger grooves, or adding stippling, grip tape, or checkering are allowed. Replacement grip panels are allowed provided they do not extend below the butt of the gun to form a makeshift magwell." D4.22.2 says, "22.2 Grips -Non-OFM gripmodifications (addition or removal of material) that provide function, such as a beavertail or thumb rest are prohibited." [Revolver-specific language removed for clarity] Dad reads this as aftermarket grip panels which do not extend to form a magwell [legal], and the addition of finger grooves [also legal], but now she's all worked up. We're shooting a level 2 match next month and would prefer to not have drama. What d'yall think--and, if I missed it, please cite the rule so I'll be better educated? Thanks! Steve and Harley-Grace

My daughter got interested in shooting at 16 and picked out a Beretta M9, because that's what she was watching airmen carry in the USAF security forces, which is what she wants to do. I know that's not what they are carrying now, but two things here: The sig isn't available in California, and any training/practice we do is more about getting comfortable and learning to learn about things that go bang. Having her enthused about HER gun is a great step. Rental ranges are great for this, btw. I shot a LOT of ICORE and USPSA twenty years ago but just ran out of time and money with kids and family....but, SWMBO saw the utility of having a kid who is competent and comfortable if she does indeed serve and/or end up doing the LE thing, and so we went shopping. We did two range sessions of specific training on range safety and range commands, and she watched one local outlaw match, and then off to our "local" USPSA match we went. (Local matches for us start at an hour away and get farther from there fast). Reasonable goals are, in my experience of teaching others to shoot, everything if you want them to stay involved and love it. We worked hard on "Muzzle, Trigger Finger, Front Sight" . We skimmed little insignificant things like reloads-"I can do it, Daaad." Safe movement, line commands, the 180 mattered more. Set goal of working toward getting her hits without working on time. Dad forbade running for the first time out. Hard rule. She's hooked. "Holy crap, Dad, this is HARD!" Yep. sure is. Big grins. We shot two more matches, the second one in miserable rain/snow/sleet/wind conditions, and then....COVID happened. We got back to a match last weekend and she ALMOST caught me when I made a HUGE mental error and opened the door for her by running past a whole array of targets--which of course she hasn't let me forget. I opened the door but she couldn't QUITE get it closed on me. Since she's made the decision to continue working on getting her hits, I work hard to not point out how much free time there is to be had by moving faster; gotta stay on the positives and limit input for improvement to gentle, occasional nudges. Keep it fun! She's shooting L-10 until she decides what else, if anything, she wants to try. She's not burning down stages, and nobody cares. Lemme tell you, everyone likes having her on their squad, and with a family work ethic, we have ended up being the only two setters and tapers on a squad. She takes it in stride; me, less so. Bums. I will say that if you are hyper competitive and YOUR performance matters to you, be prepared to set that aside for a while, especially if you run different divisions. It's hard to figure out your stage AND help her with hers, and still previs and prep adequately; it's a lot like running two matches simultaneously for me, but I'm OLD, and it shows. I don't care, there is NOTHING better than spending a match day hanging out with your kid. Anyway, this says "stage 3" but it was stage NUMBER 3, not her third stage ever. This was her very first time out, first stage, and it was a serious 180 trap. Several very experienced shooters DQ'd here. The gun at this point was still pretty new, probably under 200 rounds, and she was getting occasional malfunctions. Pretty proud of her Whack and Rack towards the end. She's now recruiting one of her friends and her friend's CHP dad to start coming to matches.....yeah, she hates it SA

Agreed. Mine cleaned up OK and shoots pretty well....still annoying that the sight has to be waaay left to hit anything (clocked barrel), but the rust is gone. SA

Yeah, Pat cost me some money on this thread. I ordered the C-Bax hanger as well. I love my speedbeez holster for my 929, but as mentioned couldn't use the drop adaptor as it puts the gun too far from my belt to be legal....hopefully the new hanger will fix that and I can get the gun down where it belongs. Anyone else need to relieve the top edge of the trigger cover on this holster for finger clearance? SA

The speed beez Drop hanger put the gun too far from the belt to be legal for me... SA

Looks great! SA

Yeah, I'd made up my mind to clean it up myself. But...Sometimes ya learn something asking a question you think you know the answer to already, and this is a good crowd to do that with. Thanks! SA

Well, since I already recrowned it, I'm thinking that decision is made. I appreciate all the feedback! And, hey, improving that particular trigger pull-getting the rust out from under the rebound slide-should be a walk in the park! SA

Photo access fixed. I think... Thanks for your help! SA

Picked up my new 929 and headed to the range. Good news is, it's a pretty good shooter. We aren't currently reloading, so this was a concern. Accuracy with factory rounds is acceptable for USPSA and the local wildcat matches, so that's good. It's reliable with factory rounds as well, even with the strain screw a half turn out (as it was delivered....). Brought it home and started pulling it apart to go through the trigger. Stock trigger pull was gritty and right at 11.5 lbs (with the strain screw fully tight). Not a terrible starting point but clearly can be improved.... Pulled the sideplate and internals to find that the entire interior of the frame is coated in rust. Brand new gun. Pics attached. It's clearly been there since assembly, as it is under the rebound slide. Return it to the dealer?--He'd take it back. Problem is, I'm in California and don't want to wait 20 days before I can start the DROS on another one, which could be worse than this one. I'm not excited about sending it back for weeks at the factory, either. I don't see any really significant pitting in any critical areas, and I'm pretty sure this can be cleaned up with some effort. I knew that the gun would be a project when I ordered it, just cause these days they're ALL just starting points, and this isn't a rant. So, how would you go about it? 000 Steel wool and CLP? Scotchbrite? Obviously, non-contact areas can be cleaned pretty aggressively. Short of sending it back, what would you do? Thanks! Steve Ok, cant attach photos. Links here: https://alleycatdad.zenfolio.com/p513707441/ee42bf5b9 https://alleycatdad.zenfolio.com/p513707441/ee42bf5e2 https://alleycatdad.zenfolio.com/p513707441/ee42bf74a

Yeah, no mill here, but I've got plenty of time.... SA

Did you just hacksaw it off and file it? I pick up my 929 later today (StOOpit California....) and am gathering my courage.... SA