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At IPSC in Frostproof they used a guage.

They worked, probably less problems than popper activated swingers.

The CRO of the stage was very clear on how to activate them, this wasn't a circus stage or a gotcha stage, there was none of that at this match. But the video looks like he stomped it good enough, but I wasn't there, I know I stomped them like I was texting and a car stopped in front of me.

I was there, I shot the match, you had to stomp on them pretty good, it did look like he stomped it pretty good but hard to tell, From what i saw, they always worked, i was there all 4 days, i shot Thursday and took pictures all day, Friday Saturday and Sunday. Only REF I saw on that stage was Steve Sanders, a cable got hit and caused a swinger to activate early. It was a neat stage.

Were you at Area 6?

Yes

You still score the target the same way, you look for any hits on the target, doesn't matter if it had been painted or taped for hard cover. Painting or taping a target for hard cover does not remove the non scoring border on the target, it covers part of the scoring portion of the target. The OP asked about head shots with hard cover since there is no bottom perf like the old targets. It doesn't matter if it's in the C Zone it's a Charley, if it's in the A Zone it's an Alpha, if in the hard cover or non scoring border and it doesn't score using an overlay, it is a Mike.

The more you read them, the easier it is to look them up.

I read the rule book before I work a big match, or shoot a big match, probably read the rule book a couple of hundred times if not more. The rules are not hard to understand you just need to actually read them rather than go by what people say is in the rules.

Most shooters and a lot of R.O.'s don't read the rules but think they know them.

If in the case of a target that has hard cover painted on it or a piece of tape and it is close to the scoring portion of the target, the R.O. should use an overlay to see if it scores. May not have a perf on it and that is fine, most targets with painted hard cover don't line up with perfs anyway. Radial tears into the scoring portion still would not count for score.

No one has to use the safety, just they should. I think this is a recommendation because of liability. They can say we have a rule saying they should use the safety.

It wasn't my popper. If it was mis-set how would it being set light have made a difference?

Homie I am aware of matches that have chrono stages and I also know how people cheat at chrono. At ipsc a guy borrowed one of my 170s for chrono, after chrono he gave it back. I asked him if he needed to use it for the match, he said no I will use my other mags, they hold 1 more bullet. Guys also know when their chrono ammo is going to get pulled so they make sure the "right" ammo is used on that stage. Rules like chrono and calibration challenges are in favor of the shooter, the RM's and USPSA isn't out to screw over the shooter's.

How many matches have you been at where there was a Chrono Stage?

I never said the competitor was a cheater. Rules on Calibration are fair, never seen a hit on the calibration Zone not knock down a popper except one time and it was set wrong, 1 time is probably 10,000 stages I have shot and watched get shot. The competitor has the option to shoot the popper anywhere they want to. I have seen a lot of edge hits, low hits or marginal hits not knock down a popper, but I have also seen a lot of low hits, edge and marginal hits knock down poppers. I have also seen a lot of guys double tap a forward falling steel and they left it thinking it should have went down. Steel is not used to measure power factor. Steel must fall to score, shoot it and make sure it falls, I never sweat steel even when I shoot minor. If you don't like the rules contact your AD and lobby for a change to, steel must be hit or shot at in the general vicinity to count as score and if the competitor complains enough, they get to reshoot the stage until they get a score they like. Put some powder in your bullets and you ain't gonna get popperf*#ked.

A hit anywhere in the calibration zone or lower and it falls, the challenge was not successful. Yes the chrono only tells you what the ammo was at chrono, I don't think RM's are gaming chrono like a lot of shooters do.

If the popper is shot high (above the calibration zone) and falls it is a reshoot. Sub minor ammo (below 125 pf) is to be used for calibration challenges, not 140 PF. Chrono only tells you what the power factor was at chrono.

I have seen quite a few calibration challenges, 1/20 failed at most, they didn't stay up because bad desugn or too heavy, but marginal hits. If a popper design is known to cause a problem, get rid of it. R.O.'s need to manage their steel and keep it adjusted properly. A shooter can request a calibration challenge if they think it is too heavy. All the calibration challenges I have seen only added a couple of minutes to the squads time, didn't slow down the match since we always had to wait on the squad ahead of us on the next stage.

Perf does not have to be ripped or even touched, if an overlay touches the perf you get the higher value hit or penalty, depending on what target it hit. Radial tears do not count.

Steel is supposed to be a challenge, sorry (not really) that sometimes an edge hit, low hit or marginal hit doesn't knock it down and may require another shot. I have never worry about poppers even when shooting minor. Chrono just checks people "chrono" ammo.

Why not set them heavy? As long as sub minor ammo knocks it down, it shouldn't matter how heavy it is set. A marginal hit with minor ammo should require an extra hit on it. That's not popper f*#king anyone it's recognizing their is a difference between major and minor.

Calling it a disservice to shooters is a nice way of saying cheating. Bottom line, it is cheating when the rules are not folliwed.

...only if you shoot minor power factor. I never worry about poppers when I shoot minor.

I should have filed a 3rd party arbitration, I would have won. I make sure I have a couple of Hundo's on me now.