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I use a Midland. I haven't seen anybody else use one, but mine has worked very well for me for about a year now. They are also real cheap on amazon right now. $80 bucks for the 1080p one. I use a mounting screw through the hat brim approach to keep it as low as I can get it and take it out of the waterproof case to get it even closer. The hardest thing about it is getting it pointed where you want it, since you can't see the video until you connect it by cable to some viewing device (no Bluetooth). It may not be the best one, but for budget conscious shooters, it may be a good option. I would be interested in what other people use it for. I find problems with my grip, hesitations I need to correct, troubleshoot gun malfunctions (though I've only recorded one), trigger control problems, and mental errors in the course of fire. With all that's going on, I just forget to turn it on sometimes.

It almost sounds like you are talking about Berry's Bullets at .10 per bullet.. For Xtremes, I have always paid $88 shipped for 1000 (2 500 round boxes.) It goes by pony express and takes 10 days to get here, but I don't wait until the last minute to order. I don't know why 3000 would be more per bullet. Right now, they are listed at 43.75 for 500 147 RN copper plated. Every two weeks or so, they have a 5% off sale and I use the $5 shipping option. That comes out at $88.12 to my door or .088/bullet. 124's and 115 are both cheaper, of course. I've never checked out if they have volume discounts.

Norfolk County Rifle Range- September 19, 2015 20150919-EOWF-Benefit-MatchFlyer-v2.pdf I didn't see this on here and thought some may be interested.

I guess I'm weird about it. If you are going to videotape me, don't tell me about it until after I shoot...but then ask me before publishing it. I certainly wouldn't want to see me running a COF at high speed with Benny Hill bumper music going on in the background. ...well maybe that would be fun.

Cost per 1000 Total Notes Coated Black Bullets 90.5 Blue Bullets 89 Bayou 90 Precision 76 Black coating, slick to the touch. No significant smell or smoke when I fired it. Ordered them and got them in three days. Bought 230 for 45's, so no direct comparison. All were 230 on the dot though. Acme 78.9 Red coating, brittle, reminds me of candy apple coating. Acrid plastic smell (burning feeling in my sinuses, but I may be allergic to it) but no smoke when I fired it. Ordered them and got them in three days Had a few undersized by diameter. All I weighed were 145. The truncated cone design worked fine in my Walther, but not in my non-ramped 1911. Had to load ta 1.080 OAL to get them to work. Left red debris in forward end of chamber. May have needed to load them even shorter. Lucky 13 72 Just started to use them. Haven't noticed a smell, but a little more smoke than the others (not more than some commercial ammo though). Still working up a load for them..Had to load ta 1.080 OAL for chambering. Took 10 days after ordering to receive them. Round nose design with wide shoulders. Haven't done accuracy testing yet. Plated Xtreme 88.13 Berry's 107.28 These were the latest prices I got for 1000 147 grain bullets shipped, with easily located discounts applied.. I understand that some of you buy in a lot more volume, but most of these companies have volume discounts. Precision, Acme, and Lucky 13 represent, in my opinion, enough of a cost savings to look at them for switching to. Otherwise, I'll stay with the Xtremes. Their ease in loading is a big plus. I started off with the assumption that I wasn't going to switch to coated if it was more expensive than what I was using, so Black, Blue, and Bayou were out from the time I saw their prices. I understand that people have their favorites and some people have very impressive brand loyalty (for you guys, please don't take offence). I also understand that some get a discount from being sponsored. I'm just a standard customer though, like most that will buy them and frankly just want the best bang for the buck for something that works for me. So far, Precision and Lucky13 have potential. The ACME's, while I'm sure are great for many people, are not for me. All of them make nice little holes in the cardboard.

I had an ass-plosion this morning. I had about 90 Acme 147's left and about 85 into shooting them, I heard a boom and the gun almost jumped from my hands. The gun went partially into battery on the next round. I had to use a significant amount of force to get the slide back to remove the next cartridge. On disassembly (after I changed my underwear), I found a thick coating of red epoxy on the front edge of the chamber and some in the first part of the barrel. Nothing would pass a simple plunk test. I took the gun home, cleaned it, got it cycling again, inspected it closely, then went back to the range. It works find now with my Xtremes. I believe it was due to the buildup of the epoxy in the front of the chamber. The Walther PPQ seems to have a very tight chamber, so I don't think this is the best bullet for it. It was cycling a little slow before it happened but it didn't dawn on me until it went boom. By the way, I found the casing and it wasn't damaged, blown out, cracked or anything...but the primer was missing. I don't think I overstuffed the case, a double=charge is pretty obvious since I'm also running a powder cop. This morning, I also tried the Zombie bullets. A slight smell, but not bad at all, not like the acrid nose-burning smell I had before with the red ones. With 3.1 grains of bullseye, they averaged 912 ft/sec with a standard deviation of 21. That's not too bad a range, but I am going to try to drop it 0.1 grains more to see if the spread goes up or down. Accuracy seemed OK, but I'll play with that more once I get the power factor the way I want it. I had to load them to what I considered unusually short, 1.080, to get them to go into the chamber. They have a rather wide shoulder. I don't think I'm using the ACME again. I am not too fond of the soft and brittle nature of the coating and the truncated design won't cycle in all my guns. They are probably fine in a reamed chamber for outdoor use. Those were packaged beautifully in a nice wooden box and came with a little box of candy...very nice touches. They also got here on the third day after I ordered them...fastest of any other company.

Excellent, exactly what I was looking for. I believe I could easily shave .05 inch off the beavertail and not even miss it. That explains how some can fit them in the box and some can't fit them in the new exact dimension box. It's looking better and better. Thanks so much!

Thank you. I don't have access to one, but am considering it. Unlike most people here, obviously, I have to be able to use it in IDPA...yes that nasty word IDPA, because I have to drive over 100 miles to get to the closest USPSA competition. I'm looking at some 1911's and the lim pro right now and am comparing features. The other issue I have is the " it will fit in the box/it won't fit in the box" battle on the internet with some big people on both sides. I see the EAA quoted dimension of 9", which is 1/4 inch too big. The people who I've met that had them say no, they fit...yet I see blogs that say, you have to distort the box to get them in. I have not seen an actual reported dimension anywhere from a real live one. If anyone has a real life length, I would be grateful. I don't want to plan to get something I can't use. Again, I appreciate the help

That's great. The overall length would be the only thing to worry about then. I'm a little partial to Tanfoglio since I had one of their plastic models that I loved the feel of. I would still have it, but the barrel was too short for competition but the gun was too big to conceal. It would have made a perfect bug class gun, but I got rid of it before they created the class. Bad timing. Thanks again for the response.

Thank you for the response. The 6.56 sight radius is almost identical to the typical 1911 one. My Walther is 7.1 inches and an XDM 5.25 is slightly longer than that for comparison. I saw that as a potential advantage of going with one. I guess the lack of responses for the limited pro, sort of, spells out how popular it is. I'm sure there must be a reason for that, so I'm probably going to shy away from it for the moment.

.380 must be difficult to calibrate poppers for though. We have enough trouble with 9mm and that's what we still calibrate to. I personally don't like .380 for a very different and selfish reason. I occasionally mix up an occasional random .380 casing into my 9mm. I've loaded a few and didn't realize it until I gauged them. I'm not crazy about pulling bullets. It freaks one of the dogs out.

Seems no one knows? By using internet pictures and assuming the overall length is either 9" (as in EAA's literature), or 8.75" (from the people I've talked to that use them and say they fit in the IDPA box). With those assumptions, it's between 6.7 and 6.9 inches (1911 is about 6.5 inches). So...can anyone tell me the real length of one? I've heard so much of whether they will or won't fit in the box (8 3/4"), with some jamming them in and some clubs using oversized boxes, that I don't know what to think anymore. I'm trying to decide between the limited pro and a 1911 style. Increased sight radius would be a big plus, but not fitting in a real legal box would, at the least, create more work (I wouldn't cut 1/4 inch off the beavertail, but 1/16"...maybe) Ben Stoeger swore it was too long in his Youtube show...but no one I've heard can quote a real measurement. Thanks for looking

I've been searching on the net and can't seem to find the sight radius of the Witness limited pro. I don't have access to one to measure. Would anyone happen to know what it is? Thanks in advance.

I just came back from our biweekly IDPA match. I shot plain horrible. Trigger control was nonexistent....I don't even want to see my score and you know what? I'm more relaxed now than when I got up this morning. A horrible day shooting is still light years ahead of a day at work. Having just left one of the worst matches I've ever shot....I can enthusiastically say that yes, it's fun!

I'm rapidly running out of Acme lipstick bullets, so I've ordered some Zombie bullets from Lucky13. So far, I've tried two of the three coated bullets that I could find, that provide enough cost savings to consider switching from Xtreme plated. My 230 grain Precision bullets have been pretty flawless. Very, very little smoke with no noticeable odor. The coating is adhered well and soft enough to absorb some impact. I may get these again. I reduced the amount of smoke of the Acme bullets to a easily livable level with less crimp, more flare and less powder. The coating seems a little more brittle and comes off easily while sliding into the cases. or if it bumps something. I don't think I will be going with these long term due to three things; the brittleness of the coating, the smell of burning coating, and the truncated design that won't cycle in my non-ramped 9mm 1911 (works fine in the Walther). One other thing was that I measured them at 145 grains rather than 147. I needed to know that for PF computations, but that didn't bother me much. Hopefully the green bullets will get here soon.

Personally, I find it interesting that so many devout USPSA shooters are aggressively opposed to anything IDPA. When there is some recreational activity that I don't participate in because I hate it, I don't expend the energy enough to follow every tidbit about it. It's not like the IDPA people are trying to run people away from USPSA or anything.... IDPA headquarters has definitely made some mistakes...I just didn't know they had created so many committed enemies.

At our range, we do, up to a point. It's an indoor range so we are mostly worried about hitting the ceiling or floor after the target though.

alot of old people who don't shoot fast think that...... lol. j/k. In my day, all matches were held in the middle of a swamp on top of a hill. We had to stomp 5 mile up hill both ways, in 4 feet of snow, carrying 200 lb props to shoot one stage a year....and we were thankful for it! Couldn't help that.

My only big frustration about IDPA right now, as I posted on another thread is those durn range lawyers slowing down the matches. I proposed a new rule last night at our monthly club meeting to restrict rules discussions during our matches (with the working SO's and MD), to people that have the rule book in front of them and finger pointed at a rule. Otherwise, it isn't allowed. You aren't pointing at the book, sit down and shuddup! Worst case, at least we will all learn something together....lol

How true. We haven't seen the "Tacticool" people at our matches for a long time...at least while I've been there. Most of them come in, run their search routine after they finish shooting, from high ready on each stage, then don't come back,...don't really know why. Maybe they are expecting to win on their first try or something? I've always said if something bad goes down in the local Walmart, I'll go to the sports department and get a fishing vest while someone paints hands on the bad guys. I'm sure I could hit them with no problem then.

I don't mean this to sound like raging, but I was surprised to see that match cost was so big a factor. People have the money to shoot $100 per week in ammo, buy a $1800 gun, spend $200 on accessories, but not $15 for range maintenance and overhead? In our particular little club's defense ($15 members, $20 visitors for 4 stages every other week), we obviously have the targets, target sticks, maintenance on the props, lead removal from the range, electricity, building/property maintenance, insurance, security, and we are looking at required range upgrades due to impending federal "assistance", plus a host of other things. Setup, takedown, operation of the match, SO's, SO training, design of the courses, are all done by volunteers (I'm one of the little volunteers but not in charge of anything). The only thing we ask people to do is tape between stages. Of course none of that even includes the efforts and resultant costs of trying to keep the anti-second amendment people from trying everything they can to close us down. I personally think the cost is pretty reasonable. As far as is it fun? I have nothing to compare it with and I enjoy it a lot.

It was exactly 10 yards, because I set it up and measured it. I didn't design it though...lol

I still had fun, but it sure was distracting. Wow, rule 8.1.5.5...none of the four people going through the books thought to look there...thanks!

Yesterday, at our local match, we had two rules questions come up that no one could answer...even with the book. The range lawyers delayed us at least another 30 minutes arguing over rules they couldn't even point to in the rule book. First one has to do with the definition of "retain" For a loaded chamber reload, retain any live ammunition. Our scenario had a table and a box. One of the SO's shooting said that leaving the partially empty mag on the table is retaining it, whereas everyone else thought it had to be retained on your person. Which is right? The current rule book apparently doesn't define "retain". The other had to do with a malfunctioning gun. A shooter's gun malfunctioned on the second of four stages. The range lawyers said that the only way he could continue would be if he had the same model gun to continue with. I saw nothing like that in the new rule book (though I remember reading that it must be the same "type", not model in a previous version). The only thing I could find referred you to the match director to determine what to do, but implied nothing about letting someone continue. At least I know I beat one person yesterday, though I would prefer it not be that way...lol. I would have loaned him my gun in a heartbeat. We also had this nasty stage where you shoot 2 shots each at four targets, then run back to 20 yards and do it again. It was unlimited. We had guys shooting makeup shots at 10 yards for the misses they expected they might have at 20 yards, since you couldn't tell which distance the hits were shot from when they were scored. Opinions: FTDR or simply bad stage design. I would say bad stage design if they hadn't been planning to do it that way. To me it fit the definition: "deliberate attempts on the part of the shooter to circumvent or violate the competition rules to gain a competitive advantage. Any other opinions? Thanks in advance for any response...unless it's: " that's why you should be shooting USPSA and not IDPA".

I just got back from chronographing. The Lipstick bullets 145 (supposed to be 147) averaged 965 ft/sec 14 stdDev for right at 140 power factor. I'm going to try 3.0 grains and 2.8 grains next. There was some noticeable, but not a large amount of smoke that dissipated quickly and an acrid burned chemical smell that I just couldn't place. Hopefully, that will go away when I drop the powder, because I didn't feel comfortable with that smell. The precision 230's with 4.4 grains Bullseye averaged 794 ft/sec, 18 stdDev for 183 PF I had one as hot as 844 though. I noticed that one but I believe I used too heavy a crimp. Very little smoke, no noticeable smell. I'm dropping all the way to 4 grains this time.