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Ok, it's not me! I'm going to chalk it out to bad ammo. It seems to like these 178gr amax with 4064. Just a hair under an inch at 100 yds, and that is good enough for what I want to do with it. Thank you everyone for the advice and also to those who encouraged me by saying it wasn't me. It is always easier to doubt myself than the equipment.

So I am unsure about shotgun barrel length with the addition of the new modern class. I am wanting to be in non-modern class. Originally the rules only allowed 22" barrels. Then you made a change to allow longer barrels. Since you now have the modern class, will the rules for the non-modern class return to 22" or shorter shotgun barrels? Also, on pistol mags, the rules say you must start with the mag that is no more than +2. After that point, could someone with say a 2011 use a 170mm mag assuming the mag pouches cover it as necessary? Sorry if this was already asked.

Not much love for Carbon Arms so I will plug them. I love my Carbon Arms caddies. I like how I can set them up how I want to when putting them together. The retention is great. I lay on mine all the time going prone and still have shells on my belt when I get up. You can set them up for load two or four easily. They are very customizable . It doesn't take big hands to load quads. I have little girly hands and I can do it just fine. It does require dexterity in the fingers, though.

Not much love for Carbon Arms so I will plug them. I love my Carbon Arms caddies. I like how I can set them up how I want to when putting them together. The retention is great. I lay on mine all the time going prone and still have shells on my belt when I get up. You can set them up for load two or four easily. They are very customizable . It doesn't take big hands to load quads. I have little girly hands and I can do it just fine. It does require dexterity in the fingers, though.

Thank you Kurt. See you soon. Thank you as well Mark.

Thank you Dan. I don't believe it is the scope/mount. And thank you biglou13. I am definitely going to be doing some load testing and development. I have a new bolt on order and when it comes in I will remove the comp to shoot my groups. Thank you M1A4ME. I don't know how to use a sling while shooting off a bench? Thank you logiztix. I have heard about parallax but don't know how to check for it or fix it. What is the "bob and weave?" Thank you Hurley for answering my intended question. I am glad to know that you don't do anything different when shooting the 308 compared to the mouse guns. That helps me

Dan Sierpina Fit is very tight, no need for shim stock.

kurtm thank you. I am guessing before I Give up I will try more in depth load testing. I will see about ordering me some different bullets.

biglou13 thank you for your time to write all this out. Bit overwhelming at first but I tried to respond. (Answers to your questions appear in the quote box with your text) . I was suggested the ladder test but from I gather, it needs to be done at more distance than 100 yards to be able to see the separation of groups and there isn't a piece of cardboard big enough to fit my group size on at 300 yards. I am guessing I should try some more load development. It is the impeccable technique I am concerned about.

I am shooting a dpms oracle with a few changes made like hand guard and a silent capture spring, Mike paynes muzzle brake, and a JP trigger. After not getting the accuracy I wanted out of the stock barrel we put a JP barrel on it which I came off my brother in laws rifle. He couldn't seem to get it to shoot on his gun so I tried it on mine. Still couldn't get it to shoot. Heard there was a bad run of them so we sent it back to JP months ago and still haven't heard anything from JP on it. It currently has a 20" criterion on it which is shooting better than the JP but not by much. Some of our ammo has bad brass and is leaking around the primers, so my bolt is pretty much now junk. (We have probably another 500-800 rounds of it sitting in the garage waiting to be thrown away). But from what I have been told, it is the barrel that makes the gun accurate, and I thought I made a good choice in my new barrel. I have shot the zq1 through it and that didn't go well, I also shot the perfecta through it and that was just a little better than the zq1. Don shot it with either its original barrel or with the JP (can't remember which) and couldn't get it to shoot too much better than me, but he hasn't shot it with the criterion. He keeps telling me it isn't me, but I am getting to the point where I am thinking after three barrels, I can either continue to blame equipment or I can start to blame myself. Haven't messed too much with loads other than using recipes that other people recommended. Specifically Don's load that he got from JP (110 grain Hornady a-max and I can't remember powder/charge) and another load using some 155's (again can't remember the load off hand). So maybe trying some other bullets will help? I got some prepped 308 brass from Atlanta Arms from a prize certificate, so that should resolve the crappy brass issue. Again, at some point, I have to own up and say, guess what, it is not the equipment, it is me, because no matter what we do to the rifle, I still can't seem to shoot a decent group out of it. I have heard people say that ar-10's are much more difficult to shoot well than ar-15's and I believe it. So I was hoping to learn more about technique to see what I am doing wrong.

I can shoot my ar-15 just fine ringing long range steel, shooting sub1 moa groups on paper. I can not seem to replicate the accuracy with my 308. I am getting really frustrated with it. I try to shoot it with the same technique I use with my 223, same grip on the pistol grip. Pin the trigger. Same tightness in the shoulder pocket, etc..... but the groups are horrible. I can ring steel ok in a match with it, but not like my 223. Takes more shots. I know the recoil is much greater than my 223 and I am not a heavy weight, I stand 5'8" and weigh about 125 pounds so the gun pushes me around more, but I know there are plenty of slight women who can shoot a 308 like nobodys business so I must be doing something wrong. So I was wondering if anyone uses less/more/different technique? And for that matter, what is the "proper" way to shoot an AR style rifle? Bear down on the gun? Tight grip on the pistol grip? Tight in the shoulder? Or just barely holding on to it? Loose grip on pistol grip? Loose in the shoulder. Barely resting cheek on stock? I would sincerely appreciate any help that anyone can give me because I am about to throw the stupid rifle in the trash and give up on heavy.

Working on speed drills like Bill Drills and changing your thought process during the stage and stage planning will give you the speed you are looking for. What thought process are you changing during the stage and stage planning?

Las cruces (Mesilla Valley Pistoleros) has steel challenge the third Saturday of the month at the Butterfield range. They also have uspsa first Saturday of the month. They will also be having a pistol/carbine match on July 30th.

Hello from southern New Mexico!

Thanks so much for the replies! The gun is actually really clean, that was the first thing we looked at. It isn't a short stroking problem. Haven't made any changes to the trigger group. We just put a new barrel on it a short while ago and hadn't really shot it much after that. Turns out the chamber area of the new barrel does not have the same radius that the old barrel had. It actually has no radius at all. So we put a radius on it. It also seems that the lifter is rubbing on a shell latch. So made some adjustments there. Carrier dog spring seems to have enough tension on it. Will be taking it out to the range tomorrow to see how it runs. Thank you Kuan and Dan (see you guys in about a week for Heman) and Boxerglocker!

My shotgun is not chambering rounds properly. When I work the action, it is like the lifter is not lifting the new round high enough to feed it into the chamber. The round is hitting on the bottom of the chamber. I slide the action back and the lifter lifts up properly and then I can chamber the round. Any ideas of what to look at? I need help ASAP as I have a match coming up next weekend and it would be nice if my shotgun ran.

Will this scope hold up on a 308 AR?

Dude! It's about time you showed up on here! We will miss having you at our matches, foot faults and all.... Having a great match planned for this weekend, too.

I got the same message. Wondering if they aren't ready to open up squadding yet but sent the email at least showing that payment had been received?

In as well. Check in the mail. Looking forward to another great match!

Already signed up and squadded!

I used 2 grits then some polishing compound on a felt wheel. I was pretty happy with the results. It took a while but cleaned things up. (I am not Mark or or Kurt or yoda, and I have only done this once but thought I would share my experience anyways....)

Pikes Peak Gun Club in Colorado Springs CO

Awesome! Soooo looking forward to the match!

Is the app supposed to be out today?