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I have a double mag pouch from Bianchi that works well for my witness large frame mags. It also works with the small frame mags, which is nice. If you're interested, I could get you the model number.

Brownells is the source for factory parts. Depending on how used the pistol is, I would consider replacing all of the springs. Definitely the trigger spring.

Thanks! I'll keep an eye on the page for more content, but this is a nice start.

Hi everyone, I've started to help out with my local club's monthly (unaffiliated) IDPA match. This month we're hoping to run a bonus shotgun match after the regular match. Unfortunately, I don't typically do the stage design and I have never shot any type of shotgun match. So I'm looking for some existing stage plans or some tips or tricks. I've searched, but there doesn't seem to be much out there (that is easily found). We do have a steel bay. Thanks for any info!

I'm wondering the same thing. I need a few shotgun stages...

Yep. It was either a spring from a 70 series or a 92, I don't recall at the moment. The DA spring has longer legs and the coiled part is wider. It will fit into the trigger, but just barely. Then it binds up. I can look and see where that spring came from if it helps.

There is no significant difference between the small frame and large frame "competition" frames. The regular frames, at least the older ones, are different. The small frames have a smaller grip, very similar to the cz75 (identical, essentially).

Most likely. As far as I can tell from reading the rules, the Stock II isn't legal for IDPA shooting because of the conical lockup barrel and because it is overweight. The full-length dust-cover is not legal in ESP, but is legal in SSP. So... if it made weight, and had a normal barrel, you could shoot it in SSP or ESP. Sort of like the CZ SP-01.

Looks pretty nice! Interesting checkering on the grip - the checkering on my pistol is considerably finer.

Ok, I actually have a mecgar optimum 17rd cz75b mag at the house. It's shaped slightly different than the 16 rd mags, and is a tiny bit longer. The basepad is a little short for the witness, but it seems it would function fine. Maybe the difference between the two is the basepad? I also left out a third option - the mecgar optimum +2 mags for the cz. I'll probably buy these if they're compatible.

Hi everyone, I shot my first match with my "new-to-me" small frame limited on Saturday. Everything went great, with only one minor hiccup. Unfortunately, I didn't exactly shoot great - it was an idpa classifier and I ended up missing sharpshooter by 1/2 second. That was on me, though. Maybe it was too cold... Anyway, I only have four "good" magazines for the small frame. Two 16 round mec-gar CZ 75b mags and two factory CZ 16 round mags (which are identical to the mec-gars, minus the branding). These are all the gloss blue finished mags with the metal baseplate. I was going to order a few extra mags, but it appears there are several options for the small frame witness. There is the normal gloss blue CZ75b 16 round mag like I already have, but I'd rather buy the 17 round mec-gar "optimum" mags. I've used those mags in my p226 and my large frame limited pro, and I've really liked them. However, it seems like I have two choices: 1. There is the mec-gar "optimum" CZ75b 17 rd mag with the anti friction coating and blue follower. 2. Mec-Gar optimum 17 rd Witness Small Frame magazine. Greg Cote lists these and they're listed on the mec-gar website. The photo doesn't show a blue follower, but it could just be a stock photo of any magazine. Does anyone know if there is a difference between these two mags?

Are there any stainless Tanfoglios? I've never heard of one...

I was just taking similar measurements last night! I will post what I have when I get home, but the interesting thing I found is that there was essentially NO DIFFERENCE in grip size between my small frame pistol and my large frame pistol. Honestly, I was pretty surprised, because I also have an older small frame Tanfoglio that clearly has a smaller grip. The difference is that my "new" small frame is a "competition frame" pistol, while the other small frame pistol has the standard frame. There are differences between the two frames, and the uppers are not compatible, but the grips are essentially identical. What really clued me off was when I compared my small frame Grauffel grips to the large frame Grauffel grips. They're identical, except for the grip screw location. In fact, it would have been fairly easy to drill and tap the small frame to accommodate the large frame grips. This must have been what Henning was talking about when he wrote that the frames were the same, except for the amount of material removed for the magazine.

Were you using the sights on the same slide, or on different slides? In other words, were the sights different lengths, or were the dovetails on the slides different? I bought two front sights back in July. The set screw was still in the center (didn't line up with the factory depression), but they were the right length. My brother bought one last month, and it was the right length and had the updated set screw location.

I think its more of operator error. I had significant issues with my first two Dawson sights. After I figured it all out thanks to the folks here, I have no issues with the Dawsons installed. On top of the the newly designed Dawson I installed on a third gun was even easier and its more solid. The issue was really the "dimple" for the set screw. Dawson just now changed the design to move the location of the set screw to match the factory sight. Previously the screw was in the center. If a new dimple wasn't made in the slide, the tiny set screw didn't have much chance of holding the sight in place by friction alone, especially once things started to heat up.

Yes and no. I milled off the original sight and milled out the recess for the sight. Then I tried to machine the dovetail, but it is so tiny that I snapped my end mill on the second pass. I ended up filing the dovetail by hand. It wasn't terrible, but I'm not looking forward to doing it again.

Hi everyone, I recently picked up a used small frame Witness. It's a "competition" frame model. I'm not 100 percent sure when it was produced, as the date code stamp was very poorly done and is completely unreadable. I did call EAA about the pistol, but I forgot to ask them when it was produced. The woman at EAA did say that it should be a 9x21 "Gold Team" model - which is interesting, because the pistol as received has a 9x19 barrel and no compensator. Here's a "before" photo taken by the seller before I received the pistol: The pistol is actually not a long slide model, which I frankly didn't realize until I received the pistol. Not a big deal, but I was surprised to find it was a 4.5" barrel pistol. Of course, it also did not have a removable front sight, but I knew that from the beginning. The trigger is interesting - it is a flat trigger that uses the same reset spring setup as Henning's trigger. I have seen the same trigger in other early competition models, so I think it is a factory part. The hammer is also a bit strange. It looks more or less identical to the current "heart shaped hammers" but it isn't quite the same. Basically, the hooks are in a slightly different position, so the hammer, when cocked, isn't as far back as it is on newer guns. This results in more drag on the slide than is present on the later model pistols. I don't like it. It is also a DA/SA hammer. Of course, I have no idea if it is the original hammer. Also interesting is the ambi safety. The left-handed safety is not held on by a roll pin. Instead, it slides inside the right-handed safety. They're held together by the leg of the sear spring, which also hold the entire safety in place just like with the current design. Finally, the pistol is drilled and tapped for an optic, just like the current Limited and Gold Custom models. So here's the pistol after a few modifications and a few parts changes: The pistol now has a set of Eric Grauffel "Xtreme" grips and a Dawson fiber optic front sight. It also sporting a newer SAO hammer at the moment, but that is temporary... Ok, here it is next to its "bigger" (but younger) brother, my Limited Pro in 9mm: Of course, the Limited Pro has been converted to SAO and now also has a nice silver SAO hammer, thanks to kneelingatlas. Here's another comparison shot: First, the older, small frame pistol has checkering on the rear of the slide. Not sure why it is there, but it is interesting. Also, the rear sight is not the same as the one on the Limited Pro. The serrations do not run up the entire sight blade, and the blade is angled back much more than on the newer pistol. Also, the Pro sight has LPA stamped on it, while the older sight has no manufacturer name. Another comparison: The older pistol is also checkered on the underside of the trigger guard. The checkering is also much nicer on the small frame, although it is significantly sharper on the newer model. I only had a chance to run a few rounds through the small frame, but it did seem to be similar, accuracy-wise, to the Limited Pro.

Henning's firing pin is $25, so it should seem cheaper. However, Henning doesn't have a firing pin that works with the block.

The firing pin was Euro 29.95, which works out to around $41 USD. Shipping was 14 euros, which works out to around $20. The order was for a firing pin and grips, so I don't know if the cost would be different for only a firing pin. Actually, the shipping cost might be a flat rate, I've ordered from Grauffel twice and it was same both times.

Yeah, I ordered it from grauffel in France. I just quickly clicked on the 2.0 pin thinking it was the new one.

Nope. The xtreme firing pin works with the firing pin block. The xtreme 2.0 pin does not work with the block. I know because I ordered the wrong one...

Yes, he told me that it is not removable. He painted it or colored it with a sharpie or something.

Hmm... Hopefully if it is different it will be compatible with the CZ safeties. I'll update the thread when the pistol shows up.

That would require patience...

Hi everyone, I recently purchased an older small frame Tanfoglio Limited in 9mm. It hasn't arrived yet, but I'm already looking at ordering a few new components. One main thing is a new safety. I've really come to love the "toggle style" safety that came on my large frame limited pro, and I was hoping to order one for my new small frame. However, looking at the photos of the small frame, it seems as though the safety may be a different design. Here's a picture: On my limited pro, the right side safety (the LH safety lever) attaches by sliding onto the safety rod and is held in place by a roll pin. It doesn't look like this ambidextrous safety attaches the same way (although it could just be that it isn't visible in the photo). Does anyone know if the current Tanfoglio safety design is compatible with this model? I also have an older tanfoglio small frame (a "Combat Shooting Cohai" model) and the newer safety is not compatible with that pistol. Perhaps my "new" limited uses the old style safety? As an aside - if anyone has a small frame longslide with a replaceable front sight they would like to sell, I'm interested in buying.