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One of my favorites; 10 rounds @ 25yds, bench rest:
Springfield RO 1911
SNS 200gr NLG Coated
5.0gr N320
1.250 OAL
Very soft shooter.....
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Got the Dawson adjustable rear/FO front on the G17, and just tonight installed the same combo on the G34G4.
Dawson has updated the rear's dovetail, and install is a piece of cake with the included tools. No filing whatsoever required for the install; and everyting is included (sight, tool, loctite, allen wrench).
Highly recommended!
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Currently using the Redding Micrometer seater and crimp dies in 9mm and .45acp. Never have to readjust the crimp die in either caliber.
XL650....
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Heard some good recommendations for the Acme Coated line:
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=217969&page=2
http://www.acmebullet.com/bullets-reloading-brass/HiTek-Coated-bullets?product_id=428
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He was shooting the plain cast bullets as these are the ones he had dialed in. He now has the coated bullets and will be shooting them next year. The same attention to detail goes into the coated as well as the cast and it says volumes that a small bullet maker can manage a win over all the big name bullet vendors that were on hand.
Thank you Sir!
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Out of 617 shooters yesterday at the Camp Perry National Championships prelim the 200 grain ACME SWC took home the trophy with Mike Riel doing the shooting.
bowen:
Do you know if Riel was shooting ACME's standard lead or their new "coated"?
Thanks!
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My experience has been that the seating die is removing some of the bell from a case that has been over belled. It's easy to see if that've your problem. Use a caliper to measure the bell before and after the seating die. If it has gotten smaller, back off the bell until the seating die no longer makes contact with it.
The Mr Bullet feeder powder die is highly recommended.
Same here. Was having to enlarge bell for coated lead bullets without shaving, and the Redding mic seater was shaving brass during seating.
Mr Bullet Feeder die solved problem entirely!
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I think this thread is a good example of why there is such a "wide spread" when using N320 or any fast burning powder.
Pistol/barrel, lead vs fmj/cmj, barrel length, bullet weight, etc; all have specific requirements for desired level of PF and/or accuracy!
3.7g of N320 driving a 135 lead bullet @ 900 fps is a very soft load; especially out of a G17!
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IMO, a good explanation:
I teach statistics, and the misuse and misinterpretation of the SD given on chronographs gives me the hives!
Seriously, although the SD can be calculated from 3 shots, it does not mean much until more than 10 (preferable 20) shots have been used in the calculation.
There is a calculation to determine "significance" of the deviation mathematically, but even that is misleading, since it assumes independent measurements. If there is a systematic error, the samples are not independent.
Then, it is also a question of what caused the variations (or deviations). It can range from erratic measuring, different positioning of the powder charge from shot to shot, poor discipline using the chrono, and possibly actual erratic behavior of the powder--which is usually the least likely.
And finally, at distances under 100 yards, it takes a very large change in velocity to move the bullet very far on the target, which makes the SD not very important for most pistol shooting, compared to the other things that can go wrong.
Oh, the calculators on the chronographs are quite capable of doing the math correctly. The problem is that the "conventional wisdom" that small SD ( small changes of speed shot-to-shot) is a major factor in accuracy of pistol ammunition is just not true.
If the SD suddenly went from 20 to 200, I would be looking for what mistake I made in loading or measuring my powder. But an SD of 30 vs an SD of 60 in pistol ammo is in the "so what" range for most purposes,or what we would call a second order effect. When you are trying to shrink a 100yd group from 2" to 1", then we might look at it.
So when you get your 100yd pistol groups down to 2"....
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Bayou states this for the 135 and 147 I've purchased:
9mm 135 Gr. RN - Sized to .356 (Typical) Other sizes available upon request call or email for options.
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Finally got a chance to run these MG's over the chrono. Think I'm going to stick with this load for matches:
MG 147 CMJ
3.6gr N320
OAL: 1.142"
Win brass
Fed GM100M primers.
(2)10 Shot Strings:
Low: 894 // 900
High: 908 //917
Avg: 900 // 908
ES: 14 // 14
SD: 5 // 5
PF: 132.30 // 133.48
Will definitely stick with the Bayou 135's for practice/backup as performance is very similar. The MG's offer a bit less "push" and are giving consistent results in the G17G4 which has been a huge challenge in finding the right load with the stock barrel.
Appreciate all the feedback!!
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I saw your pic has "0.45" on the Dillon funnel. Mine did not.
Yours are Dillon dies, while mine is SDB built-in die, though the funnel is removable. I think that's the difference. The Dillon funnel with non-SDB dies is probably shorter, while the Dillon funnel with SDB die is longer fore sure.
Milk: As I'm not at all familiar with the SDB setup, I decided to pull the MBF 9mm funnel for a direct comparison with the stock Dillon funnel; and maybe help clear things up for others considering the MBF.
Note in the .45acp pic above, the Dillon funnel is on the left and the MBF is on the right with the marking. Dillon uses a letter to designate their funnels; at least for the 550/650 series.
Here's a side by side pic of the 9mm funnels; with the Dillon "F" on the left and the MBF 9mm on the right:
I pulled out the calipers and measured the OAL of the two funnels.
Dillon: 2.870"
MBF: 2.612"
So, yes the MBF is .158" shorter than the Dillon; which is just a tad over 5/32". In my experience, this shorter length has not been an issue whatsoever.
HTH's
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No, I was not assuming the 9mm is same length as .45acp. I fully realize the 9mm MBF is shorter than the Dillon; however I was not prepared to remove the 9mm funnel for comparison. Just happened to have the .45acp funnels handy to give some comparison that not "all" MBF funnels are shorter than the Dillon's
Not sure how your figuring the MBF funnels are "very short".......The MBF/DAA funnels, however, is very short, compared to the stock Dillon funnel. The problem with that is you cannot really make the bell go big enough even when you turn the expander die all the way down. The most bell you can get with MBF/DAA funnels on SDB is about 1/3 inch down the brass wall. As a result of that, the lead shaving issue still exists.
The real fix is to use Dillon funnel and just make a huge bell mouth.
Just measured my .45acp funnels, and the results:
Dillon: 2.722" OAL
MBF: 2.850" OAL
Not able to measure the 9mm funnels as I've got the XL650 currently set up to load 147g Montana Gold CMJ, 135g and 147g Bayou Coated without changing the height of the MBF funnel/powder measure. I feel confident that with this much die height still left, I could easily over-bell any case at will:
Just not seeing how the MBF funnel is unable to "bell" a case mouth as much as the Dillon:
I was too lazy to take pictures when I first received it. My fault.
However, you were using 45 funnel to assume 9mm is the same. Your fault.
Just took it apart and took the pic.
On the left it shows I have to turn my expander die all the way into the press to get even decent bell.
On the right you can see the comparison of the MBF funnel side by side with the Dillon stock funnel. You can easily tell which one is shorter.
So, I showed the pic of the 9mm die, which on MY XL650, allows all the bell/adjustment I need to successfully seat fmj or coated/lead without any scraping. My original post speaks for itself in 9mm.
Of course, YMMV.......
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Size and deprime the case in station 1, pull it out in station 2 and put spent primer in the cup, replace case and reseat spent primer.
Throw powder charge then remove case and dump powder back into hopper, then seat and crimp bullet.
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Exactly the way I do it.
Works fine for me!
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The MBF/DAA funnels, however, is very short, compared to the stock Dillon funnel. The problem with that is you cannot really make the bell go big enough even when you turn the expander die all the way down. The most bell you can get with MBF/DAA funnels on SDB is about 1/3 inch down the brass wall. As a result of that, the lead shaving issue still exists.
The real fix is to use Dillon funnel and just make a huge bell mouth.
Not sure how your figuring the MBF funnels are "very short".......
Just measured my .45acp funnels, and the results:
Dillon: 2.722" OAL
MBF: 2.850" OAL
Not able to measure the 9mm funnels as I've got the XL650 currently set up to load 147g Montana Gold CMJ, 135g and 147g Bayou Coated without changing the height of the MBF funnel/powder measure. I feel confident that with this much die height still left, I could easily over-bell any case at will:
Just not seeing how the MBF funnel is unable to "bell" a case mouth as much as the Dillon:
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You can solve this problem by ordering a Mr. Bulletfeeder powder funnel and replacing the one that came with your 550. They are $32 each. You will have to readjust your powder station height to suit- easily done. This funnel expands the case mouth to two diameters so the bullet actually sits down inside the case when you place it. Adjust the die so that you get only the very slightest bell, just enough that you can barely feel or measure it. That will cure all your shaving problems.
You can achieve the same results with a $10 Lyman M die.
Yes it does seem as if the case is just .001 too small below the bell, and it is rubbing the coating off the base of the bullet. I'm surprised that nobody else has had this problem with the standard Dillon powder die? Or perhaps my die is just slightly out of spec?
The Lyman M die, if I'm looking at it correctly, won't work with my Dillon powder drop, will it?
Does anyone else have experience with the Mr. Bulletfeeder funnel?
The MBF .45acp powder funnel works equally as well as the 9mm funnel does for me.......
http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=205711
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Montana Gold 147 CMJ at 1.135 over 3.7 grains of N320 with WSP primers gets me 137 PF out of my G34's.Bayou 147 FP at 1.135 over 3.4 grains of N320 with WSP or Federal SP primers gets me 135 PF out of the same guns, which have #11 ISMI springs in them.
I find the Glocks don't run well with lower PF's (I made a 120 to 125 PF load for calibration challenges that will only cycle out of the same guns half the time).
Load at your own risk, of course.
I'm also finding that ~135+ PF's are more accurate out of the stock Glock barrels.
Have you compared accuracy of the MG's vs the Bayous?
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This load is my "go to" for my G17. Power Factor 131.4.
Red:
What's amazed me more than anything is the fact this is the FIRST 10-shot group fired from the G17 that's not had at least 1 flyer. Most of the time there's 2!
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One of the (IMHO) steps that really makes wet tumbling more desirable is to de-prime your brass first.
1. De-priming makes the primer pocket available for cleaning.
2. It removes one of the main contaminants, lead, from the process.
3. It greatly improves the dry ability after cleaning and washing. Both ends are open allowing air flow.
4. If not de-primed, it introduces the possibly of adding lead to the wet process, the primer itself holds water and complicates the drying process.
I went from Vibratory (hated it) to home built wet tumbling. I will never go back.
Same here!
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Realize this is an older post; but wx has finally broke and I've found some time to spend with the Bayou 135.....
More of an earlier post where I was having good success with the 9mm Bayou 135, 3.7g N320 at 1.135" OAL.
Some rounds out of the G17G4 at 25yds; and as usual the couple of flyers:
Since my eyesight is not what it used to be, I decided to try a mag at 20yds. Definitely some vg grouping other than the flyers:
More testing to come.......but I'm feeling very positive with the 135's.
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Just stumbled onto this load over the weekend; my Son had loaded these last year, and we finally got a chance to test a few from the bench rest. Started out at 25yds, and due to my poor eye sight, decided to try 20 yds. One of the best groupings I've gotten from a stock G17G4.
MG 147 CMJ
3.6gr N320
OAL: 1.142"
Mixed brass
Fed GM100M primers.
Didn't have the Chrono with me but will do more research as I really like this load!
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I use both for seating & crimp in my 650's & they work great, well worth the investment I believe.
Same here....
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Well, placed the order with Competition Edge Dynamics online and they just called to inform me that it is out of stock but expected in 2 weeks.
Just checked and they're showing stock:
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Don't think the blue Loctite has sufficient holding strength for your front sight.....
Dawson recommends using Loctite 262 high strength red when installing his Glock front FO sights.
Have used this on my G17 and G34, and never had one come loose.
HTHs