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    9mm Powder Options for Coated Lead

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted

    I've read that the CZ's have a lot tighter chamber than the Glocks, which are HUGE!

    Was going to offer some 9mm/Glock info; but don't think it'll be relative to loading for the CZ. FWIW, my recent testing, which has been greatly hampered by the weather, is showing better results accuracy wise by increasing the OAL and bumping the PF to ~132-133....for the G17.

    Got some N320/147g Bayous loaded up at 1.142" to compare to the 135's; and see if a longer OAL might wake up the N320 loads.

    I've got some Titegroup but have reason to believe it would perform better with jacketed/plated type bullets. Also have quiet a bit of Bullseye that I'll probably try if the N320 doesn't work out. Hard to turn away from 8# of the N320; especially when so many shooters prefer it.

    IMO, if our guns & ammo aren't as accurate as possible, then our performance in competition will always be questionable.....

    Not sure if there's any Bullseye competitors here; but I think these comments are applicable to any serious shooter:

    http://www.bullseyepistol.com/cstomgun.htm

    9mm Powder Options for Coated Lead

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted

    I dont think its your powder bud.

    I think you may want to try slugging your barrel and seeing if you need a larger diameter bullet.

    I've never slugged a barrel before. I found the following article on how to. Would the 36 caliber bullets with a 375 diameter in the second link work?

    This seems fairly easy:

    ;)

    Fix for Shaving Lead Bullets

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted

    Noticed several here were dealing with the dreaded "shaving" of the coated lead bullets; and most could eliminate it by using a larger "bell" of the case mouth. What really caused my dissatisfaction with the whole process was when I belled large enough to eliminate the shaving, I was having issues with the brass "dragging/shaving" when entering the Redding Micrometer seating die. Was more an issue with my 45acp reloads than the 9mm; both using coated Bayous.

    Had a discussion with "razorfish" concerning his DAA/Mr. Bullet Feeder setup being such a success with the stability of the bullet prior to entering the seating phase as he too uses the Redding Micro seater. His recommendation was to give the DAA powder funnel/expander a try as he had used one for over a year prior to getting the DAA Bullet Feeder system.

    So, I purchased one and have to say it has been one of the best additions to the XL650 I have ever tried! After the initial setup, I loaded up a dozen test rounds using the Bayou 135 RN, and after pulling, was getting zero shaving of the Bayou bullets. Here's a pic of some test rounds I was finishing up today that shows the minimal expansion that allows the bullet to sit "in" the case vs. at the very mouth of the case when belled normally on the XL650:

    Bayou135_zps2294c7e0.png

    Also noticed that johnsons 1480 was having issues with the 147g Bayous, so after finishing with the 135s I grabbed a new Bayou 147gr along with a Federal once fired case as I had been using once fired Win brass while loading the 135s. Here's a pic of the 147 positioned "in" the mouth of the brass after sizing and expanding at stations 1 & 2 using the same setup on the XL650 when doing the 135s. Again notice the lack of over belling but still allowing a stable placement of the bullet:

    147Inserted_zpseaea31f8.png

    A pic of the seated bullet to an OAL of 1.125":

    147Seated2_zpsff70a3fe.png

    I immediately removed the round from the press (prior to crimping) and proceeded to pull the bullet. After a few knocks to free the bullet, there's also zero shaving on the 147gr:

    147Pulled_zpsabb41b5f.png

    So, if your experiencing "shaved" bullets or unstable seating, IMO the DAA/MBF expander funnel might be worth a try.

    HR

    Shaving Lead Bullets? Bayous...

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted

    Yes, the 147 grain bayous. I was using the standard Dillon dies though. I messed with the bell, using one head stamp of brass, and I never could get it to work. I may get 9 in a row that would seat without shaving, but then the tenth would shave. One thing I've heard worked is to use the DAA expander instead of the Dillon expander. It's normally used with the Mr. Bullet feeder, and takes the place of your expander in the powder die.

    johnsons1480:

    Noticed that to prevent any shaving with 135/147gr 9mm coated lead bullets, a larger bell was definitely needed. Same requirements with 200gr coated SWC in 45acp. My biggest complaint was with the cases dragging while entering the mouth of the Redding Micrometer die during seating.

    Had a great discussion with "razorfish" after seeing his video of loading with the Mr. Bullet Feeder, and he highly recommended the DAA/MBF powder funnel for case expansion. I purchased one, and after getting it set up per the MBF installation video, have to say I should have done this a long time ago! It truly makes sitting the bullet down into the case a simple process vs sitting it on the belled mouth and hoping it stayed aligned during seating. And, by not having such a "bowl" shape to the case mouth, there's no scraping/dragging of the case mouth during entry to the Redding Micro seater. Also pulled several of my test rounds, and noticed there was zero scraping of the bullet or coating during seating.

    This was loading the 135gr Bayou's; but I feel confident it will work just as well with the 147gr. Am also ordering the MBF funnel for the 45acp setup.

    HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!!

    Bayou Bullets, VV N320, Glock 34

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted

    Try reducing your oal to 1.120 or 1.125 with 3.5 or 3.6 grains n320 with that 135 gr Bayou. You may see your group size reduced a little more. I did in my G34 at 75 feet from a sandbag rest.

    This may be helpful with the 135 Bayous in a Glock 34.

    http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=197079&hl=

    ETA, this one too

    http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=202245&hl=%2Bbayou+%2B135#entry2246613

    Both links are very helpful!

    THANK YOU!!

    ;)

    Bayou Bullets, VV N320, Glock 34

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted · Edited by HOGRIDER

    On a side note, "the perfect load" search can drive a man insane. Just find a load that works for you!

    Trust me, these Glocks can easily drive one crazy searching for that "perfect load"! Hopefully, all this test time will eventually pay off. And, I do enjoy the challenge. But decent testing weather is going to fade quickly with winter approaching.

    Again, appreciate your feedback!!

    :)

    Accuracy

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted

    Does anyone on here think a jacketed bullet is any more accurate than a buyou bullet? Lead? BBI?

    IMO, depends on the gun your shooting......

    Been doing a lot of 9mm testing for a G17G4, and the Bayou's are showing comparable accuracy vs. the Zero JHPs. Getting 3"-4" @ 25yds from a rest is about the best I've come up with using N320 at various powder/bullet weights and OALs.

    OTOH, using N320/Bayou 200g SWC out of the Springfield 1911 RO yielded just a tad over 2.5" @ 25yds with first loads I tested.

    Maybe not apples to apples comparison; but I feel some guns will automatically yield higher accuracy with either FMJ or lead/coated.

    Bayou Bullets, VV N320, Glock 34

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted

    RR:

    Finally got a chance to bench rest/test the N320/Bayou 135 combo. Tried 3.6g & 3.7g @ 1.130 along with 3.6g & 3.7g @ 1.135. Seems my G17G4 preferred the 3.7g/1.135" combo, with the best 10-shot group producing this:

    Bayou135_4-2_zps4kvpbhoe.jpg

    Temp: 68*

    Avg: 991fps

    ES: 20

    SD: 6

    PF: 133.79

    Hope to load a few more for further testing/sight adjustment.

    Thinking this type of grouping is about as good as it's going to get for a stock barrel......

    Thanks for your recommendations!

    HR

    Bayou Bullets, VV N320, Glock 34

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted

    3.75 Grains of N320 with a 135gr Bayou Bullet, 1.135 OAL made 131 PF out of my G17, with Awesome accuracy.

    RR:

    Wondering if you still recommend your above load for a G17?

    Got 100 of the 135 Bayous to test with N320, as I can't hit on the consistent accuracy I'm after using the 147 Bayous. This would be a ~130PF GSSF load for my G17G4.

    Thanks!

    Shaving Lead Bullets? Bayous...

    in 9mm/38 Caliber

    Posted

    Have loaded right at 500 of the Bayou 147gr coated in the XL650; and once I got the bell set properly on initial setup, have not had any bullet shaving whatsoever. And, I seat and crimp with the Redding Micrometer dies.

    Any lead round will require a bit larger bell when compared to FMJ, etc.....

    HR

    Most accurate load for a 200gr SWC

    in 44/45 Caliber

    Posted

    Sorry Hogrider, no experience with N320. I was going to try it until I found out it is just as temperature sensitive as N310. Since Solo 1000 is no where near as temp sensitive and is essentially equivalent to N320, I'll continue to use it. BTW, when you chrono you will find out that the velocities listed in the VV Reloading manual are a figment of some marketing type's overactive imagination.

    zzt:

    Finally got a chance to test some N320 with SnS 200gr coated SWC. This was 5.0gr at 1.250" OAL, and the best 10-shot group out of 3. 25yds off a Caldwell rest:

    N320SnS45ACP2_zps49c6c752.jpg

    Was very impressed with the accuracy out of my Springfield RO; though it was a little slow at 760fps. Think I'll bump it up to 5.2gr and see if I get close to 825fps.

    Yes, VV's load data is WAY OFF from what I expected!

    ;)

    Advice - Fitting an Aftermarket Glock Barrel

    in Glock

    Posted

    Candersen:

    Some may think the gain wasn't really substantial, but IMO, I was very pleased with the results.

    Here's a "test" load I was working on @ 25yds off a makeshift rest; first the stock, Glock barrel:

    string5Glk_zps663cb401.png

    And the same load through the Bar Sto:

    string2BarSto_zps6efd1781.png

    And, trust me the "flyers" were a result of my excitement!

    HTH's

    :)

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