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OP: On my Dillon RL1100, I'm using Redding Pro Competition dies at all three stations along with a MBF and the MBF funnel under the powder measure. NEVER have a problem with my reloads. If I were buying dies individually, I would definitely consider the FW Arms universal decapper; or hold out for their new Primer Popper for your dedicated decapping die! https://fwarms.com/shop/reloading/f-w-arms-auto-center-decapper/ https://fwarms.com/shop/reloading/pre-order-fw-arms-primer-popper-auto-case-centering-decapper-deprimer/

My question for those using a CNC/Aftermarket toolhead on the Dillon machines, is: Will a sizing die or expander die yield sufficient down force on the case to provide a suitable backer for the priming station? Or would something like the FW Arms die be necessary to control consistent primer seating depth? https://fwarms.com/shop/reloading/f-w-arms-auto-center-swage-foot/ UPDATE: I'm now thinking that those who use a die/die body above the primer station are actually seeing more that adequate "down force" as the die body is threaded down against the shell plate!

Add one of these to your powder measure, and "making sure it is straight" will not be an issue anymore! https://uniquetek.com/product/T1582

IMO, your flaring of the pistol brass is causing the mouth to have too much bell thus "scraping" the inside of the seating die creating the brass shavings. The info in this post can definitely help with creating/expanding brass for a stable "seat" to place the bullet: https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/205711-fix-for-shaving-lead-bullets/ I can also highly recommend the Redding Pro Micrometer Seating Die for consistent, trouble free seating that's very easy to adjust when using different bullets! https://www.midwayusa.com/product/1018047052 HTHs!

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Thanks for the update!

Chutist: After checking my records, you are absolutely right! My First press ever was a 650, and I had one when they first came out. And it's still in use today by a good friend. Thanks for correcting my error!

Just as the Station #3 is set up to allow for different brass, I use the same technique for setting up the primer station backer: https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/288680-super1050-rl1100-toolheads-interchangeable/?do=findComment&comment=3214482 Still puts my primer seating depth within the range I establish for MY ammo........ Yes, I said needs re-engineered.........didn't say by Dillon............ And I started reloading with a Dillon 650 in 1992..............but, I'm always open to new ideas................. I do like to experiment with different products and procedures in my reloading just as in my shooting. And I consider experimentation very valuable for helping me understand the operation of my loading machine. But, I also realize trying different products/procedures can lead to more issues than good. But that's the fun of learning, IMO!

Still one of the best articles available for determining COAL/OAL................ https://czfirearms.us/index.php?topic=34225.msg189131#msg189131

I would have to suggest you strongly consider one of the Micrometer Seating Dies such as the Redding Pro Micrometer. If you experience a very slight change in COAL for a particular bullet, simply adjust the Micrometer however many thousands of an inch needed! Much easier that trying to accomplish with the standard threaded seating die. Hope this helps: https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/288207-lots-of-gauge-failures-with-redding-comp-seating-die-and-blue-bullets-147-rn/

Always glad to help!

Chutist: IMO, the Everglades primer backer definitely helps! I also purchased the Ammo Brass Swage Setter which also doubles as a means of getting consistent, average seating depths regardless of brass or primers used.

Since there's definitely a certain amount of "flex" in the 1050/1100 shell plates, this is a simple and very effective way to stabilize primer seating depth consistency.

22h2: I've had the Upper Primer Assembly come loose early on in my start-up of the RL1100. And since I was primarily concentrating on the left side of the machine, I had no idea what caused it/or when it happened. Dillon Tech felt that it was not properly tightened when it left the factory. So, I got involved with a tech there that did a pretty good job of explaining the initial setup and things to check prior to starting a loading session. Referring to my notes, it was line the silver bracket (#13001 on your 1050) with the bolt slightly loose. Also, apply some blue loctite to the threads of that bolt! With the press empty, place the handle all the way down. The rear pin in the toolhead will line up the primer slide (forward) in the correct position. This is where you want the 11003 Slide Actuating Lever to be vertical as shown in ltdmstr's Pic #2 above. The bottom tip of that lever needs to be approximately .050" up off the floor of the channel that the primer slide travels in. Next, you want to line up that same Slide Actuating Lever to be parallel with the side of the press! Looking from the rear, it should be centered on the #14990 Slide Roll Pin Sleeve. Here's how my RL1100 looks using the same alignment procedures: This "should" get you going until a veteran S1050 user can chime in and offer any updates/corrections to our discussion. Or call Dillon Tech Support on Monday. Good Luck!

22h2: Since #ltdmstr posted a pic above with the handle/toolhead (2nd Pic) all the way down, I'm not sure if that's enough visual cue to help you with your height setting of the silver bracket. As he mentions above, the distance will probably be different since the S1050 has a stroke long enough to load 30-06 (3.34") while the RL1100 will only load .308 (2.75")...... I moved from 20+ years of the XL650 platform straight to the RL1100; so I have not owned a 1050 series. While there are some "slight" differences in the Priming Systems of both platforms, there are many similarities between the two! The S1050 system: The RL1100 Upper assembly: The RL1100 Lower assembly As you can see, if we disregard the lower ratchet assembly, they are very similar in operation! Again, IMO, follow the height settings and parallel settings I mentioned above; and that should get you right in the ballpark for initial settings. And, READ THE MANUAL! HTHs!

True.........so maybe someone with a CORRECTLY adjusted S1050 Primer Arm can stick a ruler on top and give the OP a good reference point........ [emoji848] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

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Had the #22215 Bullet Tray on my RL1100 briefly until I got the MBF. No fitment issues at all....[emoji106] Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro

While ltdmstr posted some great pics, I don't think the Primer Arm Cam Assembly is too different from the RL1100. When mine moved from being too loose from the factory, it was locking up the press! What I found out from inside Dillon, was that the bottom tip of the Slide Actuating Lever is supposed to be about the thickness of a dime (.053") off the floor of the primer slide channel when the handle is all the way down, with the Actuating Lever all the way towards the front. Just so it doesn't rub the channel floor during operation. This determines the height above the toolhead of the silver Lever Arm Bracket. Also, the tip of the Lever sits in front of the slide roll pin sleeve. For rotation of the silver Bracket, the Slide Actuating Lever should be parallel with the press which will place the Lever approximately middle ways of the roll pin sleeve. Couple of pics of the 1100's assembly that I hope will help clarify things. The pic with the ruler shows the height of my silver Bracket above the toolhead with the handle/toolhead all the way down. HTHs!

Absolutely! These are precision made products that definitely work as advertised!

Totally understand! Was talking with my source today, and a call to engineering came back with "they're all the same except the Ratchet." Being a bit doubtful, he's going to put his hands on a couple and let me know for sure. If an aftermarket toolhead does offer the threaded Station #4, then like you noted it's a bit crowded and the Lever Arm Bracket has to be dealt with! Here's a pic of my Everglades Primer Hold Down Die that shows just how close the Bracket sits to that Station #4 location.......... IMO, that Bracket needs to be re-engineered!

Could be! And an excellent point! Though were still dealing with Covid-19 setbacks, I wonder if Dillon is going to "standardize" the production of RL1050/S1050/RL1100 toolheads, and have them manufactured by the same subcontractor. Of course, that could prove to be good or bad depending on the stability of the manufacturer...... IMO, I hope Dillon continues to offer the S1050 and the RL1100 as they both appear to have a following. But for me, that additional warranty was just too good to pass up since I'm only loading pistol calibers for now. Now the big question...........if we decide to purchase another toolhead, do we look to Dillon or lean towards something like the CNC Shooter offering? https://immortobot.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=229 I does have some nice additions to the standard Dillon offering............... Hmmmmmm.......

Since I forgot to ask about the Station #4 hole diameter difference when I sent the first inquiry, I have sent another request in hopes of clarifying the hole differences. Could very well be that current/future toolheads will share a common diameter. Will update if I receive new info.

RePete: Yea, those manuals can sure be confusing................ especially when you reference the numbers on the website. From TRUSTED member of Dillon Tech Support:

Super 1050 Toolhead: https://www.dillonprecision.com/super-1050-toolhead_8_51_23910.html