Matt Griffin

Matt, I have an Allchin Cmore mount and a 8-MOA CMore, if you're interested in seeing it let me know.

I ordered some of the xtreme bullets to try. Is there a standard OAL that will work out of a revo and a 1911? I never had trouble with 1.22, but of course the 1911 might be picky.

Hah, it's really weird seeing someone else do it, it hadn't occurred to me but I've never seen it done before. Glad it's working for you Ty!

The dog needs a picatinney rail on his collar, those things make anything faster.

By no means am I going to say "don't do what is working for you." Josh Lentz, for example, stages the hell out of his trigger on long shots. My trigger pull is a secondary result of my sight picture, and I think I might even slow down or speed up slightly during the pull based on what I'm seeing, unconsciously. I was watching my hammer in those same videos (I don't video very much, but all the recent subscribers made me feel guilty) and it seemed like on longer shots I would get on the trigger faster and then ease back until I found the right speed to finish with. What I'm seeing is this: Sights wobbling after recoil/reload/remount/draw, sights settling, then A. Sights too settled? Speed up! B. Sights not settled enough? Slow down! My dryfire practice is based around watching the sight stay in the rear notch no matter how fast I pull through, so that's probably a lot of why I can and do pull through continuously.

I tried that because of that thread, I think he's on to something. It seemed to make it both faster and more stable, and having a quality grip is ten times more important than an extra tenth of a second. My particular point of focus changes over time, like a swing thought in golf. Right now it's feeling a solid connection between palm and backstrap, but that's because I was having trouble with a flying thumb. Once I have that trained in I'll probably notice something else wrong and work on that.

It takes more brain than muscle to do a fast reload. When I don't have to think about either shot, a stage, the weather, my score, etc. I can do those freaky reloads because I have my entire attention focused on the complex movements necessary to do the reload. Everything else that matters takes away from that attention. Here's an older video from a practice run on a plate rack (around 23 yards) with a reload between every plate: You can see how much slower it is, the amount of attention necessary to hit a plate at that distance slows down the shot on both ends.

No. I was curious though how does that 1.37 translate with a draw? It comes out sounding a lot like Yiddish.

On my way. First live rounds since the 2012 Nationals, let's see if I remember which is the noisy end.

Can you all see the time? I could when I was posting it, but now it doesn't seem to resolve.

Sorry for doing this with a cellphone, my camera stopped taking a charge a while ago. I chunked the first one, but the second try is nice:

Everybody's a critic. ;-) the motion is there, but I usually just start empty and then start ejecting the last clip as I go through my belt, I just happened to hit that one on the first try. I'm curious to see if I can do that again from the belt, I can always do it from a tabletop but I've been getting lazy with the practice lately. Edit: Also, dig on me rubbing my tennis elbow at the start of the video. Man I'm glad I finally got that fixed.

Yep, exactly. While the trigger isn't necessarily as easy, it's very much the ability to break down the stage that makes the difference. If there's a stage where production shooters are having to reload every 8 rounds then a revolver can compete, though it is still harder. When the production guy gets to empty his mag two or three times in a stage, then the revolver cannot compete; two seconds is two seconds no matter how you cut it. But other than that, sure, the revo isn't that big a drag. Stage 5 at the IPSC Nationals: 1 Griffin, Matt 151 U Revolver 52 0 8.52 6.1033 55.0000 100.00% OPEN: 19 Mondaca, Miguel 256 U Open 53 0 8.58 6.1772 46.7493 85.00% 20 Drummond, William 111 U Open 52 0 8.56 6.0748 45.9744 83.59% Standard: 4 Gotamco, Jon 146 U Standard 50 0 8.05 6.2112 47.5729 86.50% 5 Martin, Wilfredo 231 U Standard 54 0 8.87 6.0879 46.6285 84.78% Production: 1 Grauffel, Eric 149 U Production 53 0 8.63 6.1414 55.0000 100.00% 2 Luna, Sal 214 U Production 51 0 8.35 6.1078 54.6991 99.45% 3 Garcia, Frank 136 U Production 53 0 8.76 6.0502 54.1832 98.51% Classic (Single Stack): 1 Puente, Ted 307 U Classic 52 0 8.21 6.3337 55.0000 100.00% 2 Jarrett, Todd 175 U Classic 50 0 8.20 6.0976 52.9498 96.27% Now I shot that stage about as well as I can shoot a stage, and it allowed a good chunk of time for the reload as you were coming in on either side target. The point is that the shooting isn't the problem, it's the other bits, and two extra rounds is a HUGE other bit. You can also cut it the other way, start including 12 round positions instead of 8, and the revolver can start to claw back the advantage. You'll still lose time on the reload, but maybe have that sort of match and only revolvers get to be Major? It's also important to note that since it was an 11-round stage I was able to be quite a bit more aggressive than if it were a 12 round stage. If I were having to shoot one-for-one I could never have kept up with a semiauto shooter, I'd estimate that changes speed by 25% or more on steel or other difficult shots.

Man, I'd gladly trade doing one static reload per match in order to have major scoring. All day, Brother. All day. Sure, but in reality it would be closer to ten or fifteen reloads, static or not, through a match. It's not like I'm going to shoot a six-shot array and then dump the clip if I can find another two rounds somewhere to expend. (you know this of course, but I thought it needed to be clarified)

Also, can someone load a minor SS to 8 and see how it fares? Or perhaps just load a G17 down to 8? Or heck, maybe just adjust the SS nationals scores to minor and see how the 8 shots hold up against the 10s.

Interesting results. If I get the gumption up I might try to get them into excel and see what's what. Offhand, I'd say first we have to throw out Mr. Leatham's performance, simply because he can shoot points at will whereas most folks will struggle a bit to switch mental gears; he typically shot both better times AND better points with the minor gun. I'd also like to hear about which gun/discipline is the usual game for the other shooters, I could see ICORE guys performing differently than Steel guys.

1. I've had to shim about every 200,000 clicks. I can't say whether that's specifically because of wear on the yoke or whether it's due to bending from the practice, probably a bit of both. I'm up to .006 of shims on my -8, .002 on my -4. The -8 has to be well past a million clicks by now. 2. Hell no. Practice like you shoot. 3. Nah, the peening looks terrible to begin with but seems to find an equilibrium point. I'm still on the same cylinder running ~.2 splits for the majority of the practice. 4. Hell no. Those rounds are necessary to train your finger properly. 5. Both.

I saw all these people subscribing to my Youtube channel and couldn't figure out why. That video has to be 3 years old, I'll try to do some more.

Hilariously no, when you consider the difference between 8 .357s and 7.380s or whatever. But then sadly yes, as soon as someone whispers in the right ear about the horrifically overpowered Assault Revolver.

Not to throw a bucket of water on this speculation, but has anyone ever won both back-to-back nationals in the same year? My memory says "No."

I know I said I'd leave the thread, but I've been wrong plenty of times before. Thanks for coming in, Sam.

My main problem is how she points. I'm in the market for an arched mainspring housing and intend to tape as much as the division allows. Other than that just tuning down the reloads to be sure about the seating and insertion points. It's hard to move slowly enough to shoot a semiauto after so much revolver.

Again, you have that exact, precise choice in ICORE. 10 minor and 8 major can play together in SS because the 8 major can engage all targets from a position. The exact same logic applies in ICORE with its 6-round positions, though don't get the help of major scoring. To make 6-major competitive with 8-minor in USPSA you would have to limit positions to 6 shots. While you could do that, you would effectively be saying that in USPSA, every single match except Nationals is a USPSA match, while Nationals is an ICORE match with USPSA scoring. Was the division on the chopping block? Considering that (until very, very recently) L-10 was a superfluous division since 2004 and has survived, why was revolver going to be killed? Was it going to be killed? Is there a minimum participation level necessary at Nationals necessary for a division to be kept for the next year? Here's an experiment: why not have Production and Limited 10 Nationals at the same time, and see how participation changes? Let me throw out a scenario that might be the real problem: As Rob has mentioned, he has lots and lots of revolvers. Every top shooter in the sport has or has access to a 625 and the gear to run it. They have also had, over the past decade, ten to twenty opportunities to shoot Revolver division at a major match. How many have done so? If the answer isn't "zero" then it's damned close. Call it twenty shooters that, frankly, are a hell of a lot better than I am and could give Jerry a run for his money if they put a few months of practice into it. Multiply that 20 by ten matches a year for ten years, that's 2,000 oppportunities for someone to just maybe dip their toe into the division. The only example I can think of is Rob shooting Limited at the IRC one year and Julie completing her Nationals wheel. Any others? I'm of the opinion that people who want to shoot revolver, shoot revolver. Mixing everything up in the hopes they might deign to shoot a revolver match so that in one match a year we have an artificially inflated number seems wrong to me on a lot of levels. Every single one of them that are so enthusiastic about having a bonus match after SS had the opportunity to shoot the same match last year and every year before; they shot the division they wanted to shoot instead. Every single one of them had the opportunity to come to Memphis and shoot a revolver major for four years running, exactly Zero have done so. They may be busy folks, but I doubt the shooting calendar is so full that in early November there isn't a paid shooter that can spare two days. To be honest, I would suspect that most shooters think shooting a revolver is stupid, not hard. It's antiquated and heavy and hard to shoot and expensive and powerful and Jerry is going to beat you anyway. I find all of that charming and fun as a challenge. Trying to shoehorn 8-shots into the division is just a way to make it less like shooting a revolver. That's my piece on this, I'm done with the thread. Come May I anticipate we'll see a six-neutral stage setup that favors stand-and-shoot skills, low round counts, and a pro shooter not named Jerry in the winner's circle.

I'm getting depressed by the whole mess. Anyone interested in 5 625s, 2 627s, and a 617? I'm going to go dust off my Glocks.

I have two words for everyone who has trouble with Major in a revolver: grip tape. Slazenger doesn't sponsor me, I use the stuff for a reason. Revolvers aren't made correctly for two hand use or fast double action use, alter appropriately.