Carmoney

h4444, I grew up in a house where there was a Model 10 hanging in the downstairs coat closet whenever my dad was home. The rest of the time it was in his duty holster!

It just puts me in a good mood to see pictures of a dirty Model 10! Walt, whatever you do, keep your ears open when Dan C. is talking, 'cause he's one of the very best IPSC wheelmen in the world today. (BTW, one of his specialties is shooting a metric target in such a way that the bullet hole exits the front of the target.....has he shown you that special technique yet??)

I'm definitely interested in seeing if the accuracy fulfills the potential you guys are talking about.....if this thing really shoots that much better than a stock "regular" wheelgun, the money is not going to be such an issue. (Oddly enough, I happen to own a Ransom Rest....)

I'm gonna try to keep an open mind until I see it. And until I see the real "street price." However, in the meantime, if I see a nice minty 25-2 at a gun show at a decent price (walked away from a pristine beauty priced at $450 a few months back), I might just buy it--my old 25-2 is getting pretty loose, but has a lot of sentimental value and I still take it with me to the matches as a back-up.... Then I'd do the action and chamfer job myself, narrow the trigger and skeletonize the hammer myself (yep, perfect job for the Dremel, I can even make it look real nice and trick!), send it out to be brush hard-chromed (what the hell, it looks like stainless and hardens up the bolt notches on the cylinder--not that this is really necessary on most of the old guns, as Randy mentioned earlier), pin on an SDM front sight myself, slap a Millet on the back and a set of rubber Hogues (wood Jerrys hurt my thumb joint after awhile with IPSC major loads; many others have found the same). There you go. Done. It probably won't shoot cast lead bullets worth a crap--most of the 25-2s don't do well with lead bullets--so I'll load up some jacketed stuff for it, which it will shoot extremely accurately if it's like any of the other three 25-2s I've owned and used in competition over the years. (After all, they're bona fide bullseye guns!) What'll all that cost me? Maybe $750, or a little less. And I'll bet it would hold me over pretty nice while I save up for that 625-E........

Here's the entry form and information for the Missouri Fall Classic--this was a great match last year, and I'm looking forward to shooting it again in October! 2005FCEntryForm.pdf

Well, Middle Man, your last post has been sitting there for a few hours now without any comment, apparently everyone's too polite to tell you what we're all thinking.......

Sam, on a positive note, here's a nice contrast to your experience: At this year's Area 3 Championship (with 9 wheelguns), under the direction of our very capable and reasonable new AD, Emanuel Bragg, a brand new gun was awarded to the overall winner of all five divisions, PLUS to the winner of each class within each division that was represented by at least three shooters. So the winner (John Burkholder) took away a gun, and high C (Kevin Klesser) got one too. The other divisions in Revo didn't have three shooters, unfortunately, but that's nobody's fault but those who didn't attend. The non-gun prizes on the revo table were in line with those in the other divisions too, I thought. I understand not every match can have a great prize table like the 2005 Area 3, but each match can sure as hell make an effort to keep things reasonably fair between the divisions. Kudos to Manny and the folks in Kansas City who managed this very fine match. I'm glad to know that my AD is respectful of his constituency in all the recognized USPSA divisions. We need more of that type of forward thinking in USPSA's leadership. Mike

Furthermore, the best way USPSA could develop more equal participation in all of its divisions (not just L and O) is to actually treat them equally. For example, keep the prize tables at area matches and Nationals equivalent -- 10th place in Revo wins a prize the same value as 10th place O or 10th Place in L. If someone wants to say "No fair, there's only 20 of them shooting and 150 of us!" the appropriate answer is, "Well, you're welcome to shoot any division you want. If you think it's easier to win a good prize in Revo because there's fewer people shooting it, then sign up and shoot Revo." If USPSA decides to recognize a division, it should do so fairly and equally. This logic also translates to slots for the World Shoot. USPSA should foot the bill for the revo team the same way it pays for the other teams--absolutely equally. This would encourage more participation in Revo, which would be a great thing. It's a chicken/egg situation: USPSA says there's not enough Revo shooters to justify treating the Revo division the same as the others.....but of course the reality is that more people would shoot Revo if there were an equal potential recognition! Catch-22. Want to help locally? Make sure your section match WILL have plaques or trophies for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd finishers in each USPSA division, regardless of the number of entries and regardless of class. What's it gonna cost you--25 or 50 bucks per division maybe? You'll more than make up for it in entry fees. I can think of one otherwise great section match this summer that had 20 revolver entries, and yet the shooters in 2nd and 3rd place (both of whom traveled in from several states away) didn't get their names called and didn't win plaques or nothin'. If you're putting together a prize table, don't throw a few trinkets over on the corner and call it the "revolver table"--keep in equal. Again, if people complain because they think it's easier to win Revo against a smaller field of shooters, they should be invited to come back next time with a revolver and go for it. Or so it seems to me. Mike

Being another old pin-shooter like me, you're gonna have to learn how to unscrew your feet from the ground and figure out how to run around with a gun in your hand. Have fun at SC, I'll try not to let my jealousy show! Mike

I'm going to bump this thread up to the top in order to begin the conversation about staffing the "US Wheel Team" at the next World Shoot, which will be in Bali in 2008. The usual USPSA slot protocol obviously does not work for the Revolver division--but there appears to be sufficient time to put together some kind of workable system, recognized by USPSA, for the shooters to earn a slot on the US team. My suggestion would be pretty simple: The four highest performing US citizens at the 2006 and 2007 US Nationals (both years added together) are offered a slot. If any of those shooters decline to make the trip, Sedro goes on down through the list until we have the team staffed. This should help ensure that the US is represented by the very best shooters, and would also encourage more revolver participation at the US Nationals. Also, it is my understanding that members of the US Standard team at this past World Shoot in Ecuador each received about $1,800 in direct support from USPSA. As they should. However, it would certainly be appropriate for USPSA to provide at least some financial assistance to the US Revolver Team at the next World Shoot, particularly in light of the increased interest and participation that we are starting to see in Revo. Now is the time to begin that conversation with our elected USPSA representatives--politely but firmly. We also have time to drum up some meaningful sponsor support for the revolver team between now and 2008. Any thoughts? Mike

The EGW tungsten rod in one of my single-stacks broke not long after it was installed (this was several months ago). It happened in my driveway (I live out in the country); the broken-off rod flew out the end and the gun kept working. Brownells promptly replaced it and paid the shipping.

You guys did great, and we're proud of all of you. Dan and Sam and I emailed back and forth all through the match trying to figure out how things were turning out....all of us wishing we could have been in the battle alongside you! It sure sounds like a helluva adventure, and something you'll always have in your memory-banks.

I knew something happened to Cliff. He's pretty consistently in that 80-85% range (compared to Jerry) and has beaten Ricardo. With Jerry not shooting particularly well, I would have expected Cliff to be right in there somewhere right around Spook. Something happened. Also gotta wonder if his super-light action was working with whatever crap ammo he was able to scrounge down there.... Mike

Bjorn, it would be great to have you join us for the US Nationals in '06! As you probably saw from the photos posted here on the forum, we really had a great time. Our "revo renaissance" continues to grow here in the states. As for beating Jerry, well, there are a few of us you're gonna have to get through first!

After factoring out the huge home-court advantage that accrued to the young fellow in second place, I'm actually more impressed with Spook's performance against Jerry than anybody else's. (However, our buddy Bjorn still has not seen the US wheel team at its best--hopefully that will lull him into complacency....!) Congrats! Mike

Walt-- YEAH! Good decision! Just remember:

Gotta give Jerry credit for pushing through a slow start to get back on top. He still truly remains in a league of his own. On the other hand, it appears that Ricardo and Spook pushed him harder than anybody's ever pushed him at this IPSC game. To my knowledge, nobody's gotten into the 90s against him at a big match, and both of them did that. Normally, only a few can get into the 80s, against a healthy and practiced-up Jerry anyway. Both Ricardo and Spook deserve our hearty congratulations, as do the other members of the US Team who found the time and resources to represent us at the "big show."

I've tried a variety of ignition parts, and have found none of them completely satisfactory on drop-in. All required some work. My favorite combination is the Koenig hammer and EGW sear in my Springfield single stack, but it took a bit of work with my stone and jig to get rid of that little bit of persistent creep. Just for the hell of it I tried the Wilson budget MIM set in my Para, and the resulting trigger pull turned out very, very nice. It's held fine for a year, we'll see how it does long-term. Mike

davidwiz: Glad you got your problem resolved! For the benefit of everyone else: I'm a trial attorney, and I recently defended a lawsuit involving a young man who was very badly burned, after stepping on a discarded cigarette that happened to be in contact with 5 to 8 pounds of Bullseye powder that my client (a former competition shooter) had poured out onto the ground in his backyard at least six months before the fire. Witnesses described the victim as being engulfed in an "8- to 10-foot fireball of yellow flames." After being transported to the hospital, the guy was given a 50/50 chance of survival. Fortunately, he lived and is now back to work. During this litigation, I deposed several chemical experts from different parts of the country, as well as a key product expert witness who is now retired after 40-some years with Hercules Incorporated, the former manufacturer of good ol' Bullseye powder. Needless to say, I learned a lot about smokeless gunpowder during this case. The bottom line: The only safe way to dispose of smokeless gunpowder is to burn it under controlled conditions. Water will not permanently neutralize it. Oil will not permanently neutralize it. Smokeless powder is extraordinarily stable and non-hygroscopic by design, and until it is completely consumed by burning, it must be considered flammable, and at least potentially dangerous. Interesting side-note: The powder involved in this incident was determined to have been manufactured sometime in the early '60s. I kept a left-over square metal powder can as a souvenir of the case. The powder is definitely still flammable (as controlled testing proved) and I suspect still perfectly usable. It looks and smells exactly like the Bullseye powder I bought at the gun shop a month ago! Mike

Looks like the verification file doesn't contain today's results. Crap--I had my calculator all ready to figure it out!

Anybody know the results yet???? They should be about done down there, right? The suspense is frickin' killing me.

It may also turn out that so many of the US team had persistent functioning problems due to the ammo crisis that true comparisons may be difficult to make.

Dave, thanks for the info. It all makes sense....I was afraid I was missing something. I have a .38 Super conversion kit on the way for the SDB, and I got plenty of brass and moonclips with the gun, so I'll just stick with the correct ammo. Mike

Yep, take the hammer out and use the cut-off wheel to remove the spur. Then grind it to shape with a little sanding drum, rough-polish with a cratex tip, then put the dremel away and use sandpaper and finally steel wool to leave a nice smooth finish. No file needed.

OK, let's talk about this some more....after trying to use 9mm in my .38 Super 627 (recently acquired from DougC) and not being able to push the moonclips into place properly, I convinced myself it didn't work. Now after reading Bubber's post, I tried it again, finding I had one moonclip that actually worked with the 9mm stuff. All 8 shots even went bang, even though it was WWB and a lightened action. Reloaded the moonclip and it was already starting to get sticky..... So what's the deal? If I get Hearthco moonclips will my gun work smoothly with 9mm or not? If so, do I need to ask Dave for some sort of special dimension when I order them? Talk to me. Mike