greatlakes08

Sounds like your connector might be the problem

Any body have have suggestions for left hand position with this stance?

The RTS seems to be not as well built from what I have seen.

That looks nice. What is the material?

Does anyone have any data on group sizes at different distances with bullet size?

I have been running one for about 3 months now and love it. The first time I took it to the range I shot through the same hole, The gas block adjustment is perfect and the recoil is just as small as my friends JP. Also the the Geisselle trigger that comes with the colt IMHO is better compared to the JP.

Anyone else using an aimpoint or tube sight?

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I am currently shooting an open glock and I do not believe there is a 90 degree mount available. .http://stores.sjcgun...ts:Sight Mounts Thanks for the help I might try this instead

Are the aimpoint micro and other tube style red dots easier to see than a cmore?

I am currently shooting an open glock and I do not believe there is a 90 degree mount available.

It seems like Inhave seen a lot of people with poor vision talk about how the dot helps them. I am lucky enough to have pretty good vision at this time so this is another reason I am thinking about removing the dot. I know practice makes perfect but one of the reasons I wanted to use the dot is because I assumed it would be easy to pick up and improve my times right off the bat without having to practice more (Obviously I was wrong!)

I dont know if the trigger pad is factory but it is plastic. Still a great trigger though for the money. I have used a Carver custom trigger as well (+200$) and have let friends test fire who also liked the vanek better. I would call Charlie Vanek before you order a trigger.

Open minor wont be a disadvantage if you hit nothing but A Zone

The price on the vanek classic is a very good value $ for what your getting as well. His customer support is very good as well

I would go with a Vanek trigger. I tried both the super trigger and the classic. I prefer the classic.

I think dry firing and practice is what I need. NOw I just need the time to do it.

I mainly use my pistol for 3 gun and the comp and ammo capacity are pretty important. I also agree the if I practiced enough I could pick up the C-more. I think I will try using my pistol with iron sights and see how it goes. Like you said its mainly for fun

After practicing quite a bit I still find the dot on the initial draw only 75% of the time. With my irons and a large FO front sight I am still quicker to get on target and fire my first shot. With the dot I seem to bobble trying to find the dot for the first shot which kills my times.

Does anybody run an open gun using iron sights instead of a dot? I cannot seem to get used to finding the dot and am thinking about installing iron sights.

If you are not using a choke how are you knocking down steel at greater distances? I was thinking about purchasing a polychoke. How many rounds did you shoot before the debris buildup effected the POI? Most of the Saiga-12 Optic mounts are 2-3" off the bore. Zeroing too close results in a more dramatic difference between point of aim and point of impact. I don't consciously hold differently on close range steel. The shot pattern is spreading about 1/2" to 1" per yard of travel depending on your choke. A point of aim vs point of impact differential within 1-1.5" when the shot pattern itself it 7.5"-15" across is negligible. In the odd event that you do actually fail to put down a steel target it is much easier to deal with both from a recoil management/maintaining sight picture perspective and ammunition management persepctive than missing a slug shot. In the case of a missed slug shot the recoil is more severe and disturbs the sight picture more and generally requires more precise aiming than blasting steel at 10-15 yards. Unless you're reloading with a whole mag full of slugs, it's much harder to make up that extra slug shot in the Saiga. Assuming a 12 gauge one ounce slug at 1560 muzzle velocity with 2" bore offset with a 15 yard zero at 25 yards you are 1.1" high, at 50 yards 3.1" high and at 75 yards 3.7" high, and at 100 yards 2.4" high. Same thing with 50 yard zero 10 yards -1.3", 15 yards -0.9", 20 yards -0.7, 25 yards -0.4, 50 dead on, 75 yards -1", 100 yards -3.8" A 50 yard zero has less deviation between point of aim and point of impact from 0-75 yards and at 100 yards assuming a 4MOA dot, you just hold 1 dot high. None of this is really relevant at many matches where slug targets are closer or so large it doesn't really matter. Accuracy with Slugs at a match like Ironman with smaller targets at farther distances that can be moving is a lot more critical. Using low recoil slugs is great for paper and stationary steel, but if you have to knock something over or rotate a double spinner they suck, the extra 350-400 feet per second makes a difference in these cases. I've used the Poly choke; dialing it up and down to the same position you zeroed on changes POI with slugs as debris builds up. I used the Winchoke adapater one company was offering, and the threads on the Saiga barrel weren't concentric and the chokes were off center. I used the SGM chokes and they destroyed my slug accuracy by shaving a lot of lead of the slugs. These were all used on different guns. I personally think the Saiga is best off with no choke, and if you want one get a new barrel threaded for good chokes or have your gun modified by a reputable smith.

I never could get a zero using the 1600 FPS slugs. I replaced them with Remington slugger and zeroed at 50 and 100 yrds with 6 shots. Before I shot slugs I first patterned at 15 yrds with bird. I like RS regulate as well. Here is my back up Saiga I am working on. I plan to add a R&R mag well to it later and a comp. I did have a problem with this mount originally with high recoil shells the mount slid on the reciever. I sent it back and the owner beefed it up and added a better recoil block that used to just be a sliding pin its now a bolt. That said for shotguns I much prefer the Arredondo mount with one of the micro red dots (Delta Point, Fast Fire etc) I have found having the optic close to my eye helps with airborn targets. No way would I use 1600 fps slugs. My first major three gun I shot full power slugs and it hurt a lot more than it helped, with the slower shot recovery. I just don't see a need. But I have never shot a spinner with slugs nor will I let anyone shoot mine with slugs either don't want to tear up my steel.

So I should adjust the dot to the pattern at 15 yrds first then adjust additionally for the slugs at 50 yards?

I going to sight in my Saiga with the new red and wanted to know the best way to go about it. One way which has been suggested to me is sight in at 25 yards with a slug and I should be good to go for bird shot as well. I am thinking about sighting in with a slug at 50 yards but I am not sure if I will still be on target for close up bird shots? Any help would be appreciated. The slugs I am using are Winchester PDX1 Defense slugs. The rated velocity is 1600 FPS.

I am thinking of getting an open glock. Did any of you guys ever shoot 1911 open guns? If so why did you switch over to glock?