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Kyle Defoor posted this on FB 10rds in 1 min freestyle at 25. When I switched to Glock, I was shooting high left at 25. After some corrections with more dry fire and shooting, that went away. I didn't move any sights because I wasn't able to prove the hits weren't my fault.

NO. Those mods listed are everything you are able to do. What you should be doing up to you. Don't think that with every part you replace, you'll actually see a tangible benefit from it. In reality(which is different then the advice you might get here) gear accounts for so little of the equation. You can and should shoot your 17 stock all day and you won't be any worse off for it. In IPSC production, even a sight change is legal. My only advice to you right now is: sharpie out the white on your rear sight and take a file to deepen the rear notch a little. That way it dosent cut the bottom off the front white ball.

Actually, if you haven't noticed, they use satire to lambast a lot of the pretentiousness that goes on in the tactical world, hence the operator speak. So yeah, they actually are knocking Salient a bit. Assalient Arms

The Gen 4's are for sure the most user friendly as far as grip size and reaching the magazine button.

He is buying a Blue Label G34 which will come with a dot connector. Almost everyone has an enhanced trigger on their game pistols. The extra sight radius does help with the long and more difficult shots. Dot connector? Thats stupid. Also, plenty of people say the extra sight radius provides a benefit. I've never seen anyone actually prove this in some way.

The only tangible benefit of the 34 is velocity, and if you are smart and are gonna keep the internals mostly stock, it already has the right connector in it. Between the 2 guns, the preference for extra sight radius isn't based on actual results, but more that people know in theory more radius is better, so you must be getting something from the longer slide. This is a friend's target from 25y.

I dont notice the finger grooves cause my hands are that size it seems, but I really don't know why they kept them for the Gen 4 guns. Enough people end up wacking them off doing Limited and carry guns. While they are at it, they should bring back the Gen 2 mag scoop at the bottom of the front strap.

Heretic! Thats not the spirit of the division! Ahh!!!

The magazine release has more area, and that area is closer to the back strap. This is measurable. These facts combined with the 2mm difference between the gen 3 and 4 grips is going and does mean that for more shooters, the Gen 4 magazine release will be quantifiably easier to reach and use. Those with stubby little Larry Vickers hands will still find all mag buttons hard to use and champions their savior, the HK paddle release for use with hobbits everywhere.

That whole thing with this comparison is that it dosent work. Under production rules. you can change a lot of parts in a Glock. Does this mean it's no longer really production? No, because buying those parts dosent buy skill and I've yet to have someone show a tangible benefit(i.e. attaining A zone accuracy at a faster speed) from the result of racing out a production Glock with spongy trigger springs and lightened striker parts.

The number of people who don't shoot USPSA because they have a trendy RMRed Glock and don't want to shoot open is no where close to the amount of people who don't shoot USPSA with any gun because they've never heard of it or never been encouraged to come out and race. Production optics is a stupid idea. We already have 6 divisions dividing the talent pool up. Why not single stack and revolver optics too? Are guys that put a RMR on their Glock really going to want to adhere to all the other production division rules, including 10r mags,stippling only inside the lines and no grip reshaping?

You may be able to argue semantics...but IMO, the spirit and intent of the rule is clear. You get a walkthrough with your hands, that is it. I wonder if this has been clarified on GV ? Spirit and intent mean nothing if it's not put exactly into writing. Otherwise it does not exist. Stby for drones before the match starts

It's not my personal preference, it's from talking to and read a lot of people's impressions. MY hands have little problem with most pistols. I can still reach and use the slide release on a M&P 45 over the thumb safety,so the 2mm difference in the gen3 .vs gen 4 frame isn't a huge thing for me. Also, for those who get slide bite, the GFA isn't production legal. Gen 4 is. Also never been a problem for me, but I can still see it as a +2 for those with that problem.

Where did you get those thumb wheels?

The magazine release is absolutly more usable on a gen 4. This is pretty hard to ignore unless you have little stubby hobbit hands.

That will teach you to have an opinion! Funny how if these conversations were happening at the local bar and grill after a match everybody would be laughing and having a good time debating things and then we would all leave to get ready to shoot together next week. Everything just seems to piss certain people off and they turn internet warrior. You volunteer your time so others can shoot matches so in my book you are already ahead of most in the game. Thank you for stepping up and being an MD! Don't quit visiting the forums either. What's that line from heartbreak ridge? "Don't give the prick the satisfaction". It's admittedly not even his opinion, but rather that of 100 new shooters he talks to every year. If he wants to be a sore looser and take his ball with him, well there's always IDPA. Spot on dude.

Ah I get it, you're not a serious shooter, you're just obligated with running matches. Production division is a division for production guns. If a brand new shooter shows up to a match with a CZ 75 SAO, he most likely won't be shooting in Production. Production isn't a division for newbies unless that new person brings a production gun and wants to shoot in production. Look at most production shooters at a sectional and you will find 5 mags on the belt. +1 in the gun. Thats 6. Necessary for a local match? Depends on the stages. Optimal equipment for serious players? Yes. There are a lot of things that new shooters think matter. I'm at a loss as to why that should have any bearing on how a division should be set up. Plenty of people think they can buy their way up the letter ladder. It takes them buying the gear and realizing they didn't amazingly become awesome over night to realize otherwise. I do, thats why I mentioned limited minor. Most new shooters seem to show up with a production type of gun and 3-4 mags. Shooting limited minor/major for now is how they can play right away without having to get more mags for production OR doing standing reloads.

The truth is, the division isnt dominated by these guns, thats why people call them unicorns. also sounds like you are bitching only because you Dont have one And cant make one. Only one 8 round revolver gun? Sounds like a free market problem to me. also, tell me . re about how a division that needs 6 magazines is friendly to new shooters? Limited minor is friendly until they can get the extra magazines and pouches for production. i placed higher then a shooter classed 4% above me at a sectional. He was shooting a stock 2 and I had my g17. maybe those complaining should put in more work at the range.

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LOL I shoot CCI and Fed primers in a Gen 4 G17 with a 13# recoil spring that has 4k on it. I lube my blocks with generous amounts of M1 red grease. OP, who's recoil spring did you use?

I have noticed this. It's always shooters from other divisions who whine about production rules and want to suggest their grand version of what a division they don't shoot should be. If you don't want to have the bare the terrible burden of buying those mega expensive 10$ equipment race soldiering irons to stipple your intent destroying Glock production race gun, maybe you should buy a gun that already has it, like a Gen4 Glock or a FNS. Guess what? Spirit(and intent) is for cheerleaders and IDPA. Words have meaning .USPSA has a rulebook. Understanding that rulebook is part of playing the game. A gun either meets the rules of production or it does not. If a company designs a gun that is optimized for that rule set, that's called smart. We could go to IPSC production rules and the whiners would still whine about the CZ's and Tangfos.

Thats because the smaller grip of the gen 4 plus the ALREADY huge stock magazine button kinda precludes a gonza gamer button. Glock sells the FBI gen 4 release.

I hope someone close to him is doing a spot for Front Sight. He talked with me for 20mins over the phone about a month ago over a design for something belt gear related at odd hours of the night.

I using 3.7 right now in my G17 with 13# recoil spring. I'm trying to get to a chromo to test 3.7,3.9, and 4.1 with 147s coated's.