Bucky

Interesting that no one said hold out for the Sig 1911..? Some of the nicest 1911s I've seen come from SV. But their top models are quite co$tly. If I were in the market for a reasonably priced 1911, I'd go with the STI. Great gun for great value and their customer service is top notch! AND they very generously support the sports!

Chris, I tried out a troopers 96D once out in Easton. It seemed to me that the trigger pull was a bit heavier than the "civilian" 96Ds that I've tried. Perhaps they have it heavier on purpose ala New York Glock triggers? Would you still take a G22 if it had the 12 pound trigger? I know of an NJ police dept. that has a very interesting policy. They are issued the Beretta 92FS. Provided you can pass a slightly harded qualification, you can carry anything you want provided it is an approved caliber and it has a manual safety. Sooo... you can carry a WWII vintage 1911 (I know someone who does!), but Glocks and Sigs are out.

Vince, As has been pointed out in the past, this is why we need to allow for "Regional" rules or exceptions. I'd have no problem allowing same gun in US Production as you can only load to 10 rounds anyway. What happens when you do allow it Globally and Para does make said gun? Do you not approve it..., just because?? If you open the door, the gamers will sneak in! Bucky.

So far I'm surprised at the number of Berettas. I can certainly understand, though. I love mine! Nik, Is GT Glock Talk? You should know better than that Bucky.

Vince, If we allow the Plonkinov 7.62 x 25mm which holds 10 rounds, what's to stop Para from releasing the LDA in the same caliber which holds 22 rounds in a factory flush fit mag. THAT is what will "PO" people. Bucky.

Tightloop, Just curious / trivia knowlege, nothing more. I am aware of the political arena involved. NJ state was suppose to go with S&W model 99s, as a thank you/payoff for the S&W Klinton deal. They were failing so much, that they rushed to reissue the H&K P7M8s. Eventually they went to the tried and true Sig 228. Also, it seems that some are more basing the decision these days a little more on logic/experience and performance, though there has been a lot learned in the past two decades. Hey, maybe I'll even learn to name all 50 states if I can associate the gun to the state Lawman - thanks for the update.

Does anyone know of a web site that lists what the major United States (state) police organizations carry? I did a google search and didn't find anything. If not, maybe there is enough knowlege on this forum to compile a list. All I know: FBI: Glock 23 NJ State: Sig 228 PA State: Beretta 96D (DAO).

Oops, this is a C model. Still, you could by the gun and another barrell and will still be much less than $1500

Found a factory rebuilt model on an Auction for $580. http://www.auctionarms.com/search/displayi...itemnum=5166425 Auction closes in less than 2 hours. No one has bid on it, so I would imagine it would be relisted... maybe for less. Yeah, I'm thinking $1500 is a stretch.

I agree more with this than any other thread on this list. I been living on a main road for many years and the number of cigarette butts that would wind up on my front lawn was staggering. And they're not the easiest things to pick up, when there are thousands of them. They should pass a law against it... oh, there already is.

MerlinD, Throw in a couple Elite IIs and you have a deal

Just a clarification my comment was on those who WON the nationals, not the top 16.

I just picked up these in an Auction: These are smaller than my cut down Pachmayer grips because the metal grip fram is all exposed (no overlap). They may be a tad froufrou, so I put them on my wifes M36. I'll certainly be checking out the brownells catalog. Thanks for the tip.

Why not use a .40 STI? By just having a second recoil spring and bigger magwell, you can double it as an L10 gun. Get a couple high caps and you also can compete in Limited. Honestly speaking, I wish my STI's weren't Long Wide dust covers, 'cause I'd be usin' them in IDPA

Hey Custom Glock..., Both JMallard's and the USPSA's site show JJ as the winner in open...??? Is there a misprint or was there a scoring error?

It's good that they are at least sensible about it. An NJ police department issues the G21. They have several police officers with small hands who cannot even qualify with this gun because it is so huge, even though they had no problem qualifying with their S&W 5906s. (I would imagine for many on this list, it would be harder to qualify with the latter.) Of course there was no option to allow a G22 and grip reductions were out of the question. Note: My data is 4 months old and I hope they've come to their senses since then. I agree with some other posters in that the G37 would be a much more attractive pistol if they could have kept with a G22 size and not used a thicker slide.l -- Bucky

I bought into this and have two long wide dust covers. I am convinced now that it doesn't buy much. AND... consider this - not a single Limited (or Limited-10) Nationals was won with a Long Wide dust cover. Jerry Barnhart used a standard dust cover .40 and everyone else used non S_I's. (Dang it Phil, sooo close!) Getting back to the topic, I handled an SV single stack .40 this year (was told it was Kert Gaskil's). Hands down, this was one of the nicest 1911s I've ever handled. That would be my pick for the Ultimate Limited-10 gun.

I'm hoping that this may open up the door for other offerings, say a Beretta 92 model in .45 GAP. Now that's something I'd like to see.

Don't be so sure about that! If you open the flood gates, I guarantee you that someone will make a "30 Super" or something in order to have 34+ rounds in the open magazine and 26 in the US Limited and maybe 22 in standard. (Your results may vary )

There are some who find 9 rounds more advantageous than 10 in IDPA, though.

Is this the one? Had to look it up, wasn't familiar with this model. It appears to be a single action only, but the description on Smith's sight says "Action: TDA", which I take to mean Traditional Double Action. If it is indeed a single action, then I think the only down side I can see is that it most likely would be a bit slower to flip the safety off on the draw than it would on a 1911.

Vince, This is not what I'm saying. What I AM saying is the rules shouldn't be so stringent in areas where there is no advantage gained as to otherwise create such a situation - leading to both competitors and officials ignoring certain rules. I don't condone breaking any rules, I just understand why certain ones will be overlooked. So for a more accurate summary: you think guns should be box stock, period. I think certain aftermarket parts should be allowed as long as no advantage is gained. I feel this is what our differences are. -- Bucky

Just got back from Pasedena, Kalifornia for the Halloween Returns to Haddonfield, 25 years of terror. This convention honored the 25th anniversary of the classic John Carpenter movie, Halloween and it's 7 sequels. It was the only thing that helped me survive 8 days in Kalifornia with no access to a firearm or shooting. Got my picture taken with Danielle Harris (Halloween 4, 5, Urban Legend, Daylight, Don't Tell Mom, the babysitter's dead). What a doll! But now I'm Jonesing. Can't wait till Sunday's match!!!!

Vince, I respectfully must say, as I see it, you are diverting from my point. I only use the tax analogy to try to show that certain instances create a situation where by a generally honest person chooses to be dishonest, merely because the situation is defined as such to make any other choice not feasible. As exemplified in the Trigger return spring example. Also, I at no point said that you were responsible for the ruling. I am merely trying to point out that in my opinion, it is a flawed ruling that may be hard to enforce ... and again create a situation where it is selectively ignored... again, by someone who would never dream of "cheating" in an "advantage gained" sort of way. By our back and forth discussion, I can only conclude that you are in support of this ruling, which is fine... which is why we have debate. Not to rehash old hat, but this was such an issue at both the 1998 US Limited AND 1998 US Open nationals that a decision was made to design an official USPSA gauge. This took a measurement that was slightly subjective and turned into a definitive pass/fail measurement. A GREAT accomplishment for USPSA. (Does IPSC recognize the gauge?). The rules should be as concrete and enforceable as possible. I can only reply to this disrespectful sarcasm by saying, I actually do know how our organized competition does work. There are rules that the majority do not agree with, so not only do the competitors ignore them, but the officiator's ignore them as well. At a somewhat major match, a top competitor had some heavy filing done to open up his mag well. Both the other competitors and some ROs had commented on this, yet he was never moved to open division. Certain rules play into the don't ask / don't tell and I think an effort should be done to avoid the almost necessity of this. Perhaps we should just agree to disagree. Bucky.

I forgot one of my big pet peves: I'd like to see the Sig Sauer Pistol made with the Slide Stop moved forward so that 1911 shooters can't rest their thumb on it as if it was the safety and thereby disabling the slide from locking back. A critical flaw in basically a perfect pistol.