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Thanks for the replies guys Flex, those are the two options I considered. I'll fiddle with my reloading press to see what can be done. I shoot Speer double struck copper plated 124 grain bullets with 4.2grain of N320, FWIW. Sarge, yes groups always open up, but at less than twice the distance I get up to 4 times the group size! I'll try shooting from a rest too. Will post results

Topic title pretty much says it all. I have a G17 and I can hit the upper A-box @15yds all day long. But if I move the target back to 30yd, I find it hard to even hit the lower A-zone... The gun is entirely stock, except for the .115 Ameriglo plain target front and the .150 Ameriglo rear sight. Does anyone have smililar experiences? Or any explaination for this to happen? Thanks.

We've al read that in order to shoot steel succesfully, you should engage it as if it were a paper target. Sight focus, do not look for the steel to fall. We all know you should call your shots and if you call correcly and called a hit, you have hit the target. But everyone has a glitch every now and then. If not, all the GMs would never miss. So, for my question. When do you guys pick up missed steel if you called a hit?

How fast you shoot depends on how fast you can see. How good you become depends on how much you love the game. If you truly love it, you will never want to stop improving. You'll enjoy figuring ways out to improve your weaknesses and improving will be on your mind all day. If Al Bundy (well, Ed O'Neal) can become a BJJ Black Belt, then anyone with enough dedication can become a GM. 99.99% of the reasons people don't make GM are mental/motivational (which easily translates to laziness, but in the end, you just don't want to enough). At least, that is my experience.

I noticed the same problem a week ago. When shooting a rack of plates, after the first two shots, there's just so much going on downrange, that my attention get drawn from the sight to the plates. For me, the first shot is easy. Good sight picture, good trigger pull and I index to the second plate. Second plate, less sight focus, because in the back of my mind, I know there should be a plate falling downrange. I pull the trigger anyway, because the sight picture is "good enough". This shot is kind of a hoper and I know it. So when indexing to the third plate, I am still confirming the first plate falling, looking for the second one falling and fire the third shot, because I can feel the gun should be on the target, "because it recoiled the same way as the first shot". From this point I'm not visually confirming anything, but throwing hopers by feel and wondering "how it got this far" The second run I tell myself to keep my eyes glued to the front sight and all is well again. It can be so simple

Thanks for all the info people. I got some great info through my email too (Travis T. and Pekka, thanks a bunch!). I'm going to make some mags out of Tanfoglio mags and try to make a sticky for the forums about how to do it.

Alan, Thanks, but Caspian doesn't ship to Europe directly Also, the gun I bought came with only one 9mm magazine. So I need at least 3 more complete magazines. Gary from Caspian has been awesome though. He's pointing me in the right direction of European resellers. So far no luck, though.

Gentlemen, Thanks for the replies Man, this forum keeps amazing me OK, so the box fit mags do exist . Now I just have to find a way to get them over here. I emailed Brownells to ask if they ship to Europe. I read on their site that they ship 10+ mags internationally only to LE and Military, but I thought I'd ask anyway. Who knows. PS, pvhendrix. Do you by any chance know how many rounds the tactical magazines hold in 9mm/38s?

I'm looking for Caspian 9mm/38super magazines that will fit the IPSC box. It seems like the "new" Caspian mags are 140mm I know Travis uses modified Tanfoglio magazines, but I'm hesitant to go that route. Caspian doesn't export to Europe, so that leaves Brownells, AFAIK. But on the Brownells site, I can't find any 9mm/38super magazines. Does anyone know another good source? And, out of curiosity, does anyone have the exact specifications on how to modify tanfoglio magazines to fit and feed the Caspian frame reliably? Thanks

Another Aronofsky downer. Man, this guy knows how to depress... Great movie though!

Flex, The thing is that I usually run into the problems with these kind of targets: CrappySP.bmp Here, the sight allignment, as well as the placement of the whole sight picture becomes very important. In your last pictures, shooting and A is easy, because you can basically use the whole sightpicture as a huge front sight.

I like the last picture. I realized I wasn't deciding on the position of the dot by looking at the dot itself, but by measuring the visible parts of the target on both sides of the dot. Man, this makes me wonder what the "front sight focus" when I squeeze the round off really is...

That makes a lot of sense and is one of the key things I'm working on. I'm trying to define the moment I can let go of the target focus and switch to the sights. It makes perfect sense. What's funny, IMO, is that in the end the target remains featureless and the only help we seem to have is the outline. So instead of finding a spot in the middle, it looks more like we're actually deciding what the middle between the two sides is, as we shoot. It's almost the same process as lining up the sights itself. We look for the light on either side of the front sight, not so much at the position of the front sight itself.

I had the same problem with brass from a guy who shot 9mm Major in a Tanfoglio. I couldn't get his brass to fit the chamber of my Glock 17. I tried to avoid picking up his brass, but once in a while a couple of cases would sneak into my rangebag. There is no way to resize it aqll the way down, unless you have a rollsizer. So, I used to resize all the brass, gauge the brass alone and ditch the cases that didn't fit the chamber. After that, I'd load. Quite cumbersome, but it beats the hell out of unloading with the hammer. I switched ranges a couple of months ago and no more problems. So try to locate the shooter if you can, or see if you can identify the problem brass.

I am currently working on this exact subject. I am learning to see what is going on with my vision from the moment I called the shot to the next moment I am ready to fire the gun on the next target. This includes: (1) Calling the first shot) 2) Knowing you can leave the target 3) Finding the next target (target focus) 4) Finding the middle of this target (target focus) 5) While 3 and 4 are happening, the gun is moving towards this target 6) Getting the sights on the exact spot you picked 7) Shifting the focus to the sights (getting ready to fire) Here is the difficulty I'm literally seeing: - Finding the middle of the target. Like Paladin posts, I noticed I will not always find the middle of a featureless object like a white plate or a brown target. Or at least, I will not find it in time (before the gun arrives). This way, I am still "looking for something" on the target as the sights move in creating a chaos of focusses. I start shifting back and forth between target and sights, working some sort of compromise as this is happening. This does not only cost more time, but also makes me leave the target with a feeling of uncertainty about my actual shot placement. How do you find the middle of the target and bring your sights to that place? I've noticed that the difference between "glazing over the target" and thereby letting your eyes just "go through the motions" and getting a true focus of the middle of the target, is some sort of mental click. A click that makes you realize at 100% certainty that you have found the right spot on the target. Once you feel this click, all doubt goes away, and you are ready for your next move. I'm having trouble getting this click consistently, and end up in the focal battle between sight and target focus quite often. Any thoughts on these ramblings?

Nik, thanks for the reply. Since you mention only the test and reliability, I take it that a worn out spring will not affect accuracy, but only reliability?

Kyle, first of all, thanks for the great post. It's in my favorites I have a question and I hope you can provide me with an answer. This recoil spring test made me wonder. Will guns with lighter aftermarket setups (say a 13lbs. spring) fail this test? Is there a difference between a "worn" factory recoil spring and a lighter aftermarket spring? Did Glock give any potential scenarios of what will happen if you shoot the gun with a worn out factory spring? I can imagine the gun unlocking too quickly, thereby reducing accuracy (because the position of the barrel will vary between shots). But then again, won't this also happen with a 13lbs. aftermarket spring? I have no other springs than the factory 17lbs. (although the one in the gun, which has been there for about 6k shots failed the test), so I cannot test this myself.

I have a friend who used to train with Jeremy Horn. Jeremy told him once that there were two other fighters (besides himself) in the UFC that didn't juice that he knew of (B.J. Penn and I can't remember the other). This was around 2005. All these guys are smart enough to not get caught. With the amount and intensity training they do it becomes extremely difficult to get by without.

Until he meets Noguiera

I think it will be either Brock with a TKO or decision win, or Couture with an early submission. Lesnar is a beast, but he doesn't yet understand the submission game. Coulture isn't the best fighter from the bottom and he has had difficulty with big guys who get him on his back. So the fight will probably end with Brock on top and Randy on his back. The question is whether Randy will be able to submit Brock from the bottom or will Brock smash Randy from the top. I'll be rooting for Couture I hope experience will win this one. If Randy wins and quits, he'll be a legend for the rest of his life. If he continues he will probably lose whoever they feed him (Nog or Fedor if Dana makes it happen). Anyone else looking forward to Maia vs. Quarry? Damian might be the next BJ Penn. The guy has sick BJJ!

Yeah, I knew that when I posted. Like Chris said, Engrish is really funny at times.

Sorry, can't relate. I just like it when they're gone, period

Sounds awesome!

If you want to go cheap and fast with lubing cases, I suggest silicon spray. Works great!

I like my cases all shiney I also feel it makes reloading just a tad easier and keeps my press extra clean.