Neil Beverley

The last 2 European Championship matches have both seen 21 stages shot over 3 days. Both considered 24 stages, i.e. 8 per day instead of 7 but opted for the safer bet. ESC03 in Italy was just over 240 rounds and slightly over 50% was slug! In truth the amount of slug was over the top, IMO. ESC06 in Greece was just over 300 rounds 15 stages of birdshot (233 rounds), 4 stages of slug (34 rounds) and 2 stages of buckshot (36 rounds - 9 ball). This, IMO, was a better balance but personally I might have been tempted to change another stage or two to buckshot. I've pasted a link to the ESC06 website - CLICK HERE I've also added below a late (but not the absolute final) copy of the ESC06 C of F and the ESC03 C of F. ESC03 was an open and easy C of F with speed being the key element. ESC06 was VERY technical and need a good degree of accuracy as well as speed. Knowledge of how your gun patterns was a big help. At ESC06 some of no-shoots were very, very tight. ESC06_STAGES.pdf ESC_2003.pdf

Changing choke tubes is specifically allowed, so no problem. You (like me) can carry on missing them clays with whichever choke you like.

I'd like to give the benefit of doubt. Until 2002/2003 each Region had been interpreting or applying the SG rules in their own fashion so who's to say whether changing equipment had been an acceptable practice or not (in some Regions). January 2002 saw the first set of international comprehensive and independent IPSC SG rules. There was a steep learning curve for some! On the other hand, sadly, there does seems to be a very small minority of shooters who choose to push all the limits and try it on ( but not especially rife in SG). We had learnt the lessons well in 2003 and we were determined to start the 2006 ESC match the right way to avoid any "confusion". I'm seriously considering moving this along one stage further in that I may digitally photograph competitors' guns at registration as a further record and deterrent. It may not be necessary and it may be considered as going too far but if it keeps the match clean then it is probably worth doing. It was nice to come away from ESC06 with no moans, mumblings or accusations about competitor equipment issues. Having said that there was a concern about one type of ammunition and this was dealt with promptly resulting in the ammunition being withdrawn early in the match. Some slugs were also withdrawn but this was for entirely different reasons of a safety nature. I am very pleased to say that the vast majority of competitors are totally honest and honourable. And that's the way it should be.

The results I posted are for the shotgun match. There was no rifle match and no Tournament. Simply completely separate HG & SG matches. I know Mike won, and won cleanly, I was there. Carlos was suggesting that even someone with Mike's skill with speedloading tubes still got beaten by one of the Russians with a box mag shotgun. Not so. However, the results next time may not show such a wide gap, if at all.

I'm not sure where you got your data from but I've pasted below the top 10 in Open Division from the official match website: 1 100.00 1110.3182 Michael, Voigt USA 2 82.84 919.8053 Evgeny, Efimov RUS 3 79.79 885.9190 Ralph, Arredondo USA 4 78.42 870.6799 Roy, Haryanto INA 5 75.70 840.4699 Graham, Carlin GBR 6 62.84 697.7750 Brian, Bishop NZL 7 62.52 694.1673 Pinyo, Kaewpinyo THA 8 61.90 687.2834 Sergey, Ivanov RUS 9 52.60 584.0323 Tony, Todd NZL 10 49.82 553.2106 Thanapol, Kulchairatana THA On the other hand I can advise that the Russians are improving like crazy, in all divisions. Indeed the general standard in IPSC Shotgun has seen dramatic improvements over the last 3-4 years.

As I understand it the Arvid Grind works just as well on the SuperNova. There have been a couple of (longish) discussions on the UKPSA Forum relating to the SuperNova. The forum is only available to UKPSA members and so I've printed out 2 relevant threads and I've attached them as PDFs. You might find some of the discussion of interest. I've trief to protect you from the dross postings by deleting some 14 pages of irrelevant postings. Bl**dy Brits! Hope you find it useful. UKPSA_Forum_Discussions_About_SuperNova_Ext_Tubes.pdf UKPSA_Forum_Discussions_About_SuperNova.pdf

The link to the Global Village thread that explains this modification is below. It includes a good sequence of photographs. The mod has now been proven over 2 competition seasons and the Nova now seems to be the dominant choice of gun in IPSC Shotgun (Standard Manual Division). http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=1778

The NSCA figure stacks up with my figures (if you include my recommended +50% safety margin).

It is useful to understand the maximum potential travel distance for shot. This can assist with safety considerations if setting up stages with no backstop, e.g. in woods or in a field or on an open range. An additional safety margin should be added and I recommend at least 50% extra over and above the maximum potential travel distance. I have attached below a PDF document that includes a table of travel distances. I have used shot sizes taken from a single reputable UK cartridge manufacturer, namely Eley, for my own convenience in producing a table. In reality there are variables in any case and accuracy to within 10-20 yards is probably enough anyway to give a picture. However, I have quoted the formula below so you can carry on your own further research if you so wish to create a table applicable to shot sizes available in your own Region. The distance is calculated by using "Journee's Formula" which is taken from The Ordnance Technical Manual 9-1990. It is based on Imperial measurements but I have calculated a metric equivalent. Imperial: Shot size diameter in inches (expressed as a decimal) multiplied by 2200 gives the maximum potential distance in yards. Metric: Shot size diameter in millimetres multiplied by 79.2 {(diameter x 79200) / 1000} gives the maximum potential distance in Metres. The formula assumes a muzzle elevation of approximately 30 degrees. Ironically this elevation could well be sufficient to let a shot escape over the top of a backstop! I hope you find it useful. Shotgun_Cartridges___Max_Travel_Distance_of_Shot.pdf

The poppers in the images below have proved to be totally reliable for 15+ years. I've also added a link to the IPSC GV where 2 further designs are shown: Click Here

I sell them! It doesn't make me a bad person!

Tuesday, October 16, 2007 or before? That gives you a whole week ---- so you might as well go shoot..... Nik I wish I could, but I am in the Republik of the UK this week working, and as we all know, there are NO pistols in this Republik!! But, I am thinking of shooting, working on the mental image of Brian's visual-patience post!!! ZH <Thread Drift> There's a shotgun match on this weekend at Harlow. <Thread Drifts Ends

Farthest slug taget (a full-size Pepper Popper) is 36 paces. -Chet min distance for slugs on steel is like 40, i think. 40 metres in fact, so 43.74 yards. This for shots behind a physical barrier or 45 metres 49.2 yards if behind only a Charge Line

I've attached an explanation below. IROA_Shooting_Order_Summarised_ex_NB.pdf

I've met him several times, I recall no such attitude from him. He always seemed friendly and would happily answer questions. Agreed. He's a nice guy and quite approachable. He readily agreed to be a part of an "Ask Eric" forum over on the IPSC Global Village (CLICK HERE). His answers and posts are usually prompt and certainly helpful with no obvious signs of any arrogance.

The results will be back up again soon in full. The stats guys at this match have done a fantastic job but didn't post the results yesterday because the awards ceremony was last night (Saturday), so as to leave some uncertainty as to who won and what. I would expect them to be posted today or tomorrow latest.

There were a number of changes in the 2006 IPSC rules to enhance the the fairly major rewrite of the 2004 IPSC rules when the 3 disciplines (HG, SG and Rifle) were more closely aligned. There have also been 2 sets of interpretations written since Jan 2006. A substantial number of the IPSC 2006 changes and interpetations have been taken up by the USPSA and are now incorporated into the 2008 USPSA rules.

Hi Eric Jeff Cramblit is very happy with his, as is Geoff Smith over here in the UK. I've ordered one to try as a replacement for my ageing 1187. It arrives December.

Both are in good form and, not surprisingly, they have fitted in exceptionally well. Nice people. I was staying in the same hotel until I came home on Monday and went out to dinner with them on Sunday evening. Deb has been co-opted as a local RO and is therefore formally working, she joined the local team of ROs for the opening procession. Seems they had a great time in London before travelling out to France. We've spent some time trying to explain the rules of rugby. Apparently one of the big matches was on the TV in a pub they visited and they're still trying to unravel the mysteries. More people like Brian and Deb please.

To keep the match clean. Certain critical data was recorded about each gun so that any attempts at change could be more easily identified. Actually it's more applicable to Open and Mofified where a shorter barrel and shorter mag tube may be an advantage on Short Courses with limited room to manoeuvre. The type of sights fitted to the gun was recorded as well, amongst other things. One competitor, one gun for the entire match. At the ESC03 match, a first for many, there were some "misunderstandings" and some cries of "foul". We had no such complaints in Kavala.

Sorry! Only just looked at the concept of the thread. Won't do it again. Screw up or cock-up?

Don't know, ask me one on sport. considered opinion or rash decision? IPSC Shotgun! We need more lady shooters to select the UK Ladies Team from. We are the only IPSC Region to submit a Ladies Team in both the last 2 IPSC European SG Championships.

Does the UK need to get IPSC Pistol back, yes or no? Absolutely, but It's way off. There is no statistical evidence that the UK handgun ban has helped reduced crime one little bit, if anything, the opposite is true. But since when did politicians care about the facts. Some of the guys are shooting a barstardised version OF IPSC HG using long barrelled revolvers and a wrist brace. This gives an overall length of 24 inches and becomes legal. But it's not quick from the holster !! We also have a flourishing Airsoft section and this is used as a basic training ground to provide a foundation for members who want to shoot IPSC HG abroad, where legal. There is some speculation that there may some relaxation in the current laws to facilitate the Olympic shooting disciplines. At least that would be a start.

NO, there is NO IPSC in the UK, but if there was, she would be all over it!!! Oh yes there is! There is no IPSC Handgun but we have a very active IPSC Shotgun circuit with usually 5 Level III matches per annum, a number of Level IIs and, of course, Level I matches as well. This includes Level I slug only matches. The UKPSA is the afilliated Regional body. Training courses are run from time to time (2 day course) and this is a compulsory requirement for anyone wishing to compete on the circuit. Typical Level III matches are 12-15 stages, 150-200 rounds shot over 1 day. Typical Level II matches are usually around 8/9 stages and circa 120 rounds.

There are no length restrictions in the current rules for Standard Division. This is unlikely to change. So, for a fully loaded start, as Trapr says, you start with a maximum of 9 in the gun. If an empty chamber start then the maximum is reduced to 8 rounds. This applies equally to Standard Manual Division. Open Division is truly Open, except, of course, no full autos. Modified Division can be summarised as: No optics Ports OK Compensators OK Single fixed magazine tube No speedloaders Must not exceed 1320mm in total length (must fit in a box) No restrictions on the number of rounds loaded provided the gun fits it the box.