Shay1911

My 2 cents worth... I dont think your comp/gas system are 100% efficient. If you look at the slower motion video, your muzzle rise starts as soon as the bullet goes through the comp. The gas system is not using 100% of the gas to negate muzzle rise or momentum. I think that comp is efficient enough if you have some holes in the barrel, but not by itself. Watch the amount of gas escaping from the front of the comp after the bullet, you are not using 100% of it, some is escaping. Not enough surface area to strip and use the gas produced. If you don't like holes in your barrel, go for a more efficient comp. Slide seems heavy. When the slide is at the end of its cycle, as the barrel drops down and hits your frame, it is bumping it with enough force to cause even more muzzle rise. Recoil spring is a tad heavy, thats why the spent cases are dribbling down from the gun. I would check your ejector as well, make sure it is long enough. You may need a longer one to take advantage of more momentum out of the slide. I agree with others, lower bullet weight and N105 would, probably, help you run it better, especially if you lighten the slide and open up for more gas use. Just my 2 cents, hope this helps. The slow motion video is beautiful. What camera are you running?

Michael, I think you first have to decide on what kind of gun you want, what is important to you. All those builders are good, but they each have their specialty. I suggest figuring out your style of shooting and then looking for a gun that fits that style best. Shay

Thanks G-Man, I PM'ed him

I built guns with both the Tribrid and the Hybricomp barrels. The Tribrids are much flatter, but also very "blasty" in my opinion. Most top shooters who shoot steel (no power factor) prefer the Hybricomp, because it is not as blasty and doesnt make them flinch as much.

Do you have a *thumb rest [generic]* on it?

Let me try... Let's say gun X, the tight gun, has very tight tolerances. The frame holds the slide, the frame holds the slide stop, the slide stop holds the barrel, the slide holds the barrel, all in a consistent predictable spot, due to the tight tolerances. Gun Y, the loose gun, has a frame to slide that dance all over the place. How are you going to have a consistent barrel lock up with gun Y? Yes, loose guns cycle faster, less friction resistance. No doubt in my mind. Tight guns absorb some of the recoil in their friction, making them seem sluggish. That is overly tight though. A properly fit gun will slide back and forth like it was on rails. Again, we are talking slide to frame fit, not barrel fit. Most guns are hard to unlock because of barrel fit, not slide to frame fit. I venture to guess that your Dan Wesson has a tight barrel fit and a proper slide to frame fit. They probably did so to enhance accuracy. Most people are not IPSC shooters.

Guns that are hard to open are due to tight barrel fit, not slide to frame fit. If the barrel is out of the gun, just frame and slide, and you cant slide them back and forth smoothly, then yes, its a problem.

Just to quickly add... I weighed some barrels, all 5". Bushing barrel : 4.5oz Bull barrel: 6.2oz (corrected) Hybrid, 6 port rib, no holes drilled: 7.0 Oz For a 6", add another 1.0oz or so. A bushing weighs 0.5oz. Bushing barrel plus bushing weighed 4.9oz or so. A new bold 5" slide weighs around 13.7oz. Depending on the cuts, it can end up weighing from 8oz and up.

I vote for Dan Wesson. Quality parts, very tight frame to slide and barrel fits.

The poll does say "Poll: Bushing or Bull for your 2011" I wonder where Hybrid barrel would figure into the poll...

I think its neat how the poll is even so far...

Hey G-man, how have you been? Run of the mill 5 inch Limited gun. I was talking to a GM, top 5 type, and he was entertaining switching from Bull to Bushing. Said he may want a lighter gun, quicker transitions. So we were debating, thats all.

I was discussing the pros and cons of bull or bushing barrels with another shooter and was wondering what people like.

Thanks for the warning Randy. Interesting the the owner/director of calguns.net is the same owner/CEO of gpal. You would think he would know better!

Excellent info, thanks! I think I will go with the Midwest, very tacticool JK, looks very light weight and the rail is already on top. Planning on running BUIS with my Eotech, it is my <100 yrd rifle. Looks like the Midwest is 16.6oz at over 15" long...

Anyone played with these and can give comments? Really curious about their weight differences. http://www.midwestindustriesinc.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=category.display&category_id=288 http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=930104 http://www.midwayusa.com/viewProduct/?productNumber=456874 I want a tube as long as possible, prefer 15" or so, with top rail for a front sight, but I want it as light as possible. Any experience?

I tested PRVI match 168, Winchester Silvertip 168 and Hornady AMAX 168. Funny, but the Hornady's were the worst. Think any point in trying 155's ?

I am a bit curious, so figured would throw the question out there... New Remington 700 SPS Tac, stock everything, in .308. It comes with a 20" heavy barrel with 1/12 twist rate. Two of us took it to the range, 100 yards, off of a rest. We used six targets and six types of ammo. We alternated back and forth between the two of us on each ammo in order to eliminate the shooter. We tested all factory match ammo in 168's, 175's and 180. The 168's grouped at around 2 inches. All 175's grouped at 1/2". I am curious because the 1/12 is supposed to be good for 170 and below, yet shoots the 175's significantly better than the 168's. Any ideas as to why? I want to start reloading and was checking to see what bullet the rifle likes most. Was surprised with the results.

For those who CAN do the BAC, can you do it with the Meopta as well? For example, lets say you have a bunch of long range targets and then one or two close range. Do you switch the lever to 1X for those targets? Or do you BAC it?

If I may... I use the EoTech. Once you get used to shooting with it, you never really see the 1MOA dot, you see the 65MOA circle. Basically, I frame the targets, put them inside the circle and shoot. On more precise shots, my eyes switch over to the dot and I use it. The EoTech feels more like a heads up display, like a fighter pilot would have. I am really not aware of the fact that I have a sight in front of me, it feels as if the circle is on the targets. I shoot with a C-more in Open Pistol and I wish I could get an EoTech light enough for the pistol. Maybe my eyes got used to it, not sure. YMMV.

I beg to differ... I have three rifles, one with Rolling Thunder, one with SJC and one with Y-comp. I compete with the Y-comp, it is my favorite, SJC is second. The Y-comp is on a middy, the SJC and Rolling Thunder are on a rifle gas system. Just my opinion... Edited to add - My Y-comp is exact same length as the SJC, just measured.

Try playing a round without using the target turrets, just holding over using the mildots. More challenging:)

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I thought this was appropriate for rifle shooters. If not, mods please remove or move to another forum: There is about to be a price drop on ACOG's when the militray dumps all of them because of this: http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/slideshow?id=9580847 Personally, I would hate to see our military deprived of such great gear.