Glock3422

There is no published load for Clays and 147s. It is being done, but someone who knows you and how will have to tell you. Sorry.

For hotels in Alabama, bullet proof.

If there's a raffle, I'd want it to go to some charity or something...well, maybe the match is the charity. But waiting to see how many tickets you sell does not do much as far as knowing your budget unless you sell them first, which is just a different way of collecting payment. I thought Glock 3422 was saying I would save a bunch of money by not going to SHOT to work on sponsors, so I could lower match cost to shooters! But if I still go to get items to raffle... It's a conundrum! You travel cheaper than the guys I know.

While there may be no direct cost to the competitors for the prizes, I would expect most organizers include the cost of the trip to Shot chasing prizes in the match expenses.

Understood, completely.

If matches cost less without prize tables, It wouldn't hurt my feelings. If prize tables didn't have hidden prizes in envelopes "Wink", that would be better.

Get yourself a MilDot Master. It works for meters and yards. It does not need to be laminated and has all your answers.

"Anyway, I realize a lot of good stuff has come out of the different 3 gun hubs around the country, and the more ideas the better, but national professional sports have standards not just similarities between venues. Team sports or individual sports, whatever the case may be its still relevant (Colt 3 Man 3 Gun). I'd like to see 3Gun as mainstream, more than what it is now, something widely accepted and well known. Maybe something that is even shot at an Olympic level. Never going to grow like that if its not unified at the very least on what the rules are." 3 Gun is not and will never be a professional sport. Some people get some support, but only JM and the AMU get paid to shoot. Extend your analogy to baseball. T ball, little league, high school, college, minors, majors. They all use a bat and a ball, and each has different rules. Would you like to see a major leaguer coming to bat swinging aluminum? You wouldn't be able to find a pitcher. You really need to adapt to the matches you think are worth your time and money, or only shoot the ones you agree 100% with. Your view is, thankfully, in the minority and outlaw 3 gun is safe. There is substantial push back from sponsors for more and more product. It doesn't make sense that they keep doing it at greater levels. Almost everything on the prize table is converted to cash shortly after the match. That product competes with the product the manufacturer, distributor, and dealer would have otherwise sold. It is an unsustainable model. There will always be prize tables, but the glory days are waning.

THIS! I stopped shooting our local (now big time) 3 gun a year ago because it stopped being fun. It became about the out of town, logo shirts with big names in the game. Gotta challenge those guys. Hey, plate rack, off hand rifle at 100 yds. That will test them. Ammo is still tight and too expensive to waste on stages that are either classifiers, or lazy steel challenge exercises. The fast guys will always win, but you shouldn't design a 100 shooter match for 10 guys.

I shot the same ammo out of a 16" and a 20". There was an increase of 50 fps. Your experience will be different, but I would choose the length you would find more convenient. I would expect little or no increase out of a 22".

I was at a primarily shotgun club one evening for an IDPA match. After the match, I'm carrying the shot up targets to the dumpster by the shotgun range. Eight or so guys are standing around with their shotguns having a conversation. I learned later that my unloaded handgun in my holster made them nervous. Really?

You must love arbitration, and numbered paragraphs. You might want to apply for one of the AC jobs that are suddenly vacant.

I always shot the classifier with a G21 and major power factor applied to SSP, ESP and CDP. I hate wasting ammo for an excercise that has nothing to do with matches.

Clear

A governing body is only a benefit if they get it right. None have yet.

You could contact your AC. Oooops, you don't have one.

Get a Mildot Master and worry no more. It has both yards and meters. http://www.brownells.com/shooting-accessories/training-safety-gear/mil-dot-calculators/mildot-master-calculator-prod13152.aspx

I will defer to your experience on that. The ACs from VA/MD, NC/SC and Arkansas decided to pursue other opportunities.

There was alot of "dont step here while you shoot that way, or it's a match DQ", "dont break the 70 degree mark in this direction or it is a 180 violation, or it's a match DQ", "dont shoot those targets from past this spot, or it's a match DQ", "dont draw your pistol before passing this point, or it's a match DQ".... You get the idea. We had 3 DQ's on one stage. One guy drew his gun too early. One gun fell out of the holster mid stride, and one ran past the last spot you were allowed to shoot a certain target from but was still shooting it. Were the restrictions for the sake of safety or was it due to stage design. Was "don't draw your pistol before passing this point" to make the stage safe or was it part of the WSB? The reason I'm asking is video of Stage 8 after a pretty good run through the woods, poppers were engaged from a box on the ground. Stage design and safety... Because several roads were the direction your gun, on several stages, would be pointing if it was drawn or inside the 180, but a little one way or the other... I was wondering about that too. Maybe they tried to jamb too much stuff in the available space and time.

Does anyone know how many Area Coordinator positions are open? I heard of three resignations yesterday. Not new, just recently.

Is this how 3 Gun Nation started up? No.

This!

Your what? Either you are or you aren't. IDPA or not IDPA.

Do you mean to say that after all the long, hard, serious consideration by the Elite Tiger Team, it still isn't clear? Did they spend all their time on spelling, punctuation and numbering sentences?