Phudd Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 A friend of mine has been looking to buy a 2011. As I was shooting open at the monthly match at Sir Walter, I offered him the use of my limited gun. He took me up on it, used his own ammo. He's been reloading for some time, thousands of rounds, and never had a squib... Until today. I happened to be ROing him on our second stage when we heard an obvious and odd sounding squib. He stopped immediately, before I said stop. Tried to clear it but it was locked up tight. Took the gun downrange and tried to get it open on a target stake with no luck. So we bagged it and went to the safe area. Pounded on it some more and noticed the bullet near the muzzle, with an odd bit of jacket. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phudd Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 What we heard was the next round after the squib. The squib sounded normal to everyone. A local gunsmith came over to help, with his box of tools and parts. He struggled for a few, then noticed a hairline crack in the barrel. We also found the guide rod was missing. No choice but to bag it and put it in the truck. My friend felt really bad. Said he'd buy me a new barrel. I was not upset. Poopy happens. He'll make it good. Well, I got home, hit the shop and drilled out the slide stop lever so I could knock it's pin out and remove the slide. What I found inside was disturbing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phudd Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 It took more than a little finagling to get it out. working the two halves back and forth till the top half finally slid out the front. What I got out was the two halves of the barrel, an empty case in the chamber, and the second bullet, which was surrounded by the first ones jacket. I was afraid it may have killed more than the barrel but the slide to frame fit seems ok. No cracks but I think the slide bowed out ever so slightly. One of the other shooters on our squad just finished his NRA instructors class to do concealed carry classes. I am going to give it to him as a visual aid in his training. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pat Miles Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 OUCH!!!! Sorry, Pat Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BritinUSA Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 If that were my gun I'd never shoot it again. Anything capable of doing that to a barrel will sure as heck have made internal damage to the frame/slide... Just my opinion but I'd buy a new gun, or rather get your friend to buy a new gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyZip Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 Mic the slide. If the tolerances are good to go, get a new barrel and shoot it. For the cost of a barrel, and having it fit, you'd be good to go. Send it to me, I'll find a good home for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canuck223 Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 If the slide mic's out fine, and the frame rails are still fine, I'd just rebarrel the beast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 DAMN TED!!! I skip a match and look what I missed!!!! Its a shame you don't have any machine skills... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phudd Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 For what it's worth, I shot pretty well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merlin Orr Posted October 4, 2009 Share Posted October 4, 2009 What kind/brand of bullets were being shot? I would certainly keep all of the evidence and, if it actually was a jacket that shed off of the previous bullet to be "caught" by the following bullet, consider a request to the bullet manufacturer about a new gun.... If the second bullet just pushed the core of the first one out and it actually was a squib.... Probably not.. Bears investigation? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phudd Posted October 4, 2009 Author Share Posted October 4, 2009 Hard to say. The second slug was inside the first ones jacket. It had a strong impression of the squibs base (and the base part of the jacket) on its nose. The stuck slugs jacket was fully intact and there was a fair amount of lead bits extruded thru the cracks... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ausshooter Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Wow. I can't believe the slide held together under that kind of pressure. I don't think I'd be able to trust that gun again myself... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWNC Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Like Seth...see what happens when I miss a match. I might think twice about shooting that gun again, but it will be interesting to see how it mics out. Very happy neither you nor your friend got hurt in that one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scirocco38s Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 DAMN TED!!! I skip a match and look what I missed!!!! Its a shame you don't have any machine skills... Yeah, where the hell have you been. Where's the love...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seth Posted October 5, 2009 Share Posted October 5, 2009 Martin, You KNOW I love you... but between A8 responsibilities and building a bunch of new popper stands for Fredericksburg, I've missed 2 matches in a row!!! Its horrible!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phudd Posted October 15, 2009 Author Share Posted October 15, 2009 All fixed. The slide had only bowed out .010". A little squeeze in the mill vice and it is within a half thou. I think I like the Kart EZ fit barrels. Super easy and it locks up like a bank vault. The pre-fitted bushing it came with was perfect. If I don't get to shoot it this weekend I will next Tuesday night. Range report to follow... I could not find my bushing wrench... Made this from a scrap piece of brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPIC24 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 You need to get that gun back after the way you shot tuesday night SO you are happy with how it come out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phudd Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 Time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phudd Posted November 16, 2009 Author Share Posted November 16, 2009 (edited) I forgot to update this. It lives again. Tight, accurate, and runs 100% Edited November 16, 2009 by Phudd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Not to be stupid, but how did the 2nd round get chambered? Can a squib cycle the slide? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richbug Posted November 19, 2009 Share Posted November 19, 2009 Not to be stupid, but how did the 2nd round get chambered? Can a squib cycle the slide? A squib can cycle the slide in a blowback gun(been there done that). I have never seen it happen in a locked breech gun. I don't know if I would have called this a "squib" myself since only the jacket was left in the barrel. Any chance in finding out what make the bullet was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mscott Posted November 20, 2009 Share Posted November 20, 2009 Another shooter just posted about a bullet jacket left in the barrel. Might be something to this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phudd Posted November 20, 2009 Author Share Posted November 20, 2009 100% of the first bullet's jacket was still in the barrel. The second bullet was inside it, almost went through it, with the separate base part stuck to it's nose. There was lead extruded through the cracks. If it was a bit of jacket left inside, it was from the one before the supposed squib. There was no evidence of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AriM Posted December 12, 2009 Share Posted December 12, 2009 Yikes....glad no one was hurt....that's a tough one to carry on the shoulders.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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