Carmoney Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 (OK, enough alliteration for one night.) During the first day of our big 3DR match, I noticed that some 617s seemed to load and unload easily, while other 617s were always sticking--to the point where one shooter was even carrying a small hammer to knock the extractor back to dump the empties. My own 617 has always exhibited that problem, and by the end of the match my thumb was sore and I was jealously eyeing that little hammer. On the other hand, Cliff and Dave shot the same gun all day, never cleaned it, and it extracted just fine all the way through. Turns out the problem is that S&W obviously sent out some 617s with tight chambers. After purchasing and using a Manson revolver cylinder finishing reamer on those ten little chambers on my 617, I can now load the gun with ease and the empties pop right out with just a light little push on the extractor rod. I was surprised how much steel the reamer removed in order to bring the chambers out to SAAMI specification where they're supposed to be. But I'll tell you, it's like a whole new gun! I wish I had figured this out several years ago, but better late than never. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 That's some good information. Thanks for sharing! Did you get the reamer from Brownell's? Part #? Thanks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snertley Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Thats what I need done. Tyler's hand was almost bloody by the end of the match! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 That's some good information. Thanks for sharing!Did you get the reamer from Brownell's? Part #? Thanks! Yes, Clymer and Manson both list a finisher reamer specifically made for .22 rimfire cylinders. I bought the Manson, and it left a very nice finish surface. You will also need a handle and cutting oil, if you don't already have those around. Be careful, though--these reamers keep on cutting beyond the point where the chamber is finished, and it appears possible that you could go too deep into the recessed area where the cartridge rim seats--obviously, this would increase headspace and create a misfiring problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Were these the two that you looked at? 513-051-220 184-051-220 Any reason you picked the Manson over the Clymer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tripod Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 another service Carmonize can offer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 another service Carmonize can offer? Yeah, I'm going to work it into the action package on the 617 (for those guns that need it) at no extra charge, similar to the chamber reaming I do with the 625-2s and 625-8s. Or I can just ream the cylinder for a modest charge. Those interested can PM or email me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 Were these the two that you looked at?513-051-220 184-051-220 Any reason you picked the Manson over the Clymer? Yes, and not really. I wouldn't be surprised if they turned out to be identical. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I did that to my 617. It changed it from hard, hard ejection to super easy. Accuracy is still the same. Manson reamers cut a lot cleaner and easier than Clymer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJDOUBLETAP Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I've thought about doing it to a 617 but was having a hard time finding a reamer. I think it would help with ignition too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 I've thought about doing it to a 617 but was having a hard time finding a reamer. I think it would help with ignition too... You can borrow mine anytime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CJDOUBLETAP Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 I've thought about doing it to a 617 but was having a hard time finding a reamer. I think it would help with ignition too... You can borrow mine anytime. We'll be in Ankeny on Sunday, if you could bring it there that would be great. The jeep is running fine, BTW.... the battery thing was a coincidence.... Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom E Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I just reamed the chambers in my 617. Manson reamer. Does take out some metal. Does make things noticeably better (loading and ejecting). Did not seem to have any effect accuracy. I shot the TDR fri .22 steel match without a msifire and without having ejection (or loading) difficulties but with the chambers reamed it definitely is better. Well worth doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmax Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 I've got a 617 where the pilot diameter is half a thou too large and the chambers cannot be reamed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 The pilot diameter can be reduced by applying fine sandpaper with it turning in a drill press. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmax Posted August 6, 2009 Share Posted August 6, 2009 (edited) I called Dave Manson and he will grind it to the proper dimensions, great guy to work with. Edited August 6, 2009 by jmax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 Hey John, before you send your reamer back to Manson, try the sandpaper trick Warren described. I ran into the exact same trouble on a 617 this evening, so I chucked the reamer in my drill and after just a couple minutes of sanding the pilot it worked perfectly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 Personally, I would grind it on centers. However, not too many people have that kind of equipment, so I try to give advice that the average guy can do, when possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigsaxdog Posted August 7, 2009 Share Posted August 7, 2009 cliff's doesn't stick cause' he has this special LUBE....... i was real careful not to get any on me, though..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted August 7, 2009 Author Share Posted August 7, 2009 Personally, I would grind it on centers. However, not too many people have that kind of equipment, so I try to give advice that the average guy can do, when possible. I appreciate the advice! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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