redwoods Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 I am shooting in the single stack nationals this year and want to know 1. Can I legally disable my grip safety 2. I have a series II so I think I need the safety to disengage the firing pin block 3. Can I tape it closed using elec tape under the grips Thanks, Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Friday Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 1 not in SS 2 not if converted with the conversion kit 3 ya, but it could slip and then just be a PITA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwoods Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 So I can't disable it in Single Stack, but what about putting the tape on it so it holds it down. Would that be considered disabling it? What about pinning it? Randy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catfish Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 It's very easy to tune the grip safety to the point that it works, but just takes a gentle touch to activate it - you can probably have the best of both worlds with a well 'tuned' grip safety.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Friday Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 (edited) Huh, I just went back and re-read the rule book. I'm not so sure you can't, but there is there: Special conditions: — Only 1911 production type pistols. Must be available to the general public and have their basis in the original 1911 service pistol as designed by John M. Browning. Pistols made from components that duplicate the factory originals are acceptable. Frames must be metal. You might actually be able to pin it short of a ruling out there. I'm still looking. edited to add: didn't see anything in the rulings about it either. Edited April 5, 2009 by SA Friday Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwoods Posted April 5, 2009 Author Share Posted April 5, 2009 I guess if I pin it, the firing pin block pin would be constantly pushed up and I would not be able to get my slide off unless I unpinned the grip safety. I had some trouble on my STI 40 built by Bedell, so I cut the safety. I just don't want to have a problem with the 1911 at the nationals. I have never had a problem with disabling it in the past. But then again, I don't have as many rounds through it as the STI 40 gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SA Friday Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 I guess if I pin it, the firing pin block pin would be constantly pushed up and I would not be able to get my slide off unless I unpinned the grip safety.I had some trouble on my STI 40 built by Bedell, so I cut the safety. I just don't want to have a problem with the 1911 at the nationals. I have never had a problem with disabling it in the past. But then again, I don't have as many rounds through it as the STI 40 gun. unless you convert the innards to 70 series with the spacer kit, and then you have no firing pin stop in it anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff686 Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 It's very easy to tune the grip safety to the point that it works, but just takes a gentle touch to activate it - you can probably have the best of both worlds with a well 'tuned' grip safety.... Actually, if you grip it high enough, you can push on the beaver tail and engauge the grip safety. Certain people with certain hand sizes and grips preferences just can't consistently disengauge the grip safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-JQ- Posted April 5, 2009 Share Posted April 5, 2009 It's very easy to tune the grip safety to the point that it works, but just takes a gentle touch to activate it - you can probably have the best of both worlds with a well 'tuned' grip safety.... I think this is the answer. I have been having minor issues with this myself. One of our members mentioned that I could "tune" it myslef easily or have someone else easily do it...so that it activates with very little "pressure". I'm not sure yet if I will be tackling this myself yet or not...but I did just buy a the AGI 1911 DVD...still working up the nerve...and I don't want to void my warranty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 It's very easy to tune the grip safety to the point that it works, but just takes a gentle touch to activate it - you can probably have the best of both worlds with a well 'tuned' grip safety.... In general, yes. However do NOT attempt to do this on a Series II Kimber. The Series II mechanism moves the firing pin lock out of the way by lifting a rod in the frame, the top of which bears on the firing pin lock plunger, and the bottom of which bears on the top of the grip safety tongue. It's quite possible, if you appy the same "take metal off the bottom of the grip safety tongue" approach to grip safety sensitization that would work great on other guns, on a Series II Kimber to wind up with a situation where the grip safety depresses far enough to allow the trigger bow to clear the grip safety tongue and travel to the rear to trip the sear, but not move the firing pin lock plunger up far enough to clear the firing pin. This, of course, leads to a big o'l click! when you pull the trigger. Let me repeat: do NOT take metal off the underside of the grip safety tongue on a Series II Kimber. Having said that, tweaking the sear spring so that, while it still requires the same amount of inward movement to disengage the grip safety, it requires considerably less pressure to move it that much, is quite safe to do, and may well solve your problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ankeny Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Yeah, what Duane said. If you want to make the grip safety super sensitive you might as well start by removing the rear sight and just dumping the Swartz (spelling) system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duane Thomas Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 Or just start with a gun that doesn't have the Schwartz system. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganShootist Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 So.....Is what Ron Said legal????? In USPSA SS or IDPA????? Isn't that disabling a safety???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 So.....Is what Ron Said legal????? In USPSA SS or IDPA?????Isn't that disabling a safety???? See if you can find it in the rule book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichiganShootist Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 See if you can find it in the rule book. Thank you very much for your insightful and helpful feedback. There seemed to be a different slant by a couple of the "posters" which I thought needed clarification. My understanding was that much of the value in forums like this was the open and supportive exchange of information. Sorry if I mis-understood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshF Posted April 7, 2009 Share Posted April 7, 2009 You can speculate for weeks on a forum. The rules are in the rule book hence most people should retreat to that source to find out the facts. I think the fellow forum members are trying to teach others to fish so to speak. Disabling secondary safeties is only restricted in Production Division. All other Divisions must maintain function of the primary safety. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Gundry Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 I don't advocate doing it, but yes, it is legal to disable the grip safety in SS division. Do a search and you'll see plenty of posts on it, and from those that have contacted John Amidon about it. You can (fairly) easily remove the Schwartz safety from a series 2 Kimber. The most difficult part is removing and reinstalling the rear sight. Basically, you just remove all of the parts required for the safety - the firing pin blocker & spring, and the activator in the frame. The only issue with doing this is the open area next to the sear that the activator lever has left vacant. The only time this becomes an issue is when reassembling the gun from a full disassembly. When the hammer is not in the frame, the sear can get caught on the frame in this open space. When you are putting it all back together, just make sure the sear is sitting over to the left side of the gun and can engage the hammer properly. Under normal operation the sear can't and won't get caught on the frame (at least it hasn't on mine in a few thousand rounds). So, no spacer or kit is necessary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singlestack Posted April 9, 2009 Share Posted April 9, 2009 See if you can find it in the rule book. Thank you very much for your insightful and helpful feedback. There seemed to be a different slant by a couple of the "posters" which I thought needed clarification. My understanding was that much of the value in forums like this was the open and supportive exchange of information. Sorry if I mis-understood. I was just trying to get you to read the book Yes, it is legal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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