open17 Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 No this isn't another magazine vs. clip thread. I've pretty well got that one figured. But it WAS one of those threads on another forum that prompted this question. Has there ever been a commercially produced semi auto pistol that fed from a clip? Stripper clips don't count---it has to have the feed lips on the clip or in some other way be required for the operation of the gun. Steyr 1911 and Mauser C96 can load from strippers, but I'm darned if I can come up with a semi auto pistol that uses a clip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChuckS Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 No this isn't another magazine vs. clip thread. I've pretty well got that onefigured. But it WAS one of those threads on another forum that prompted this question. Has there ever been a commercially produced semi auto pistol that fed from a clip? Stripper clips don't count---it has to have the feed lips on the clip or in some other way be required for the operation of the gun. Steyr 1911 and Mauser C96 can load from strippers, but I'm darned if I can come up with a semi auto pistol that uses a clip! Most Hollywood guns use "clips". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted December 18, 2008 Share Posted December 18, 2008 The only clip fed gun I know of is the M1 Garand. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted December 18, 2008 Author Share Posted December 18, 2008 The only clip fed gun I know of is the M1 Garand.Jim Carcano, a lot of military stuff with steyr and mannlicher in its name. Lebel? I believe the old Dutch Beaumont Vitali used a clip. The Garand is of course the one we are most familiar with but there was a BUNCH of old european military iron that used clips. I just can't come up with a semi-auto pistol that uses the system! I'll bet there was one. The knowledge pool here on the forum is deep and wide-----someone will know. Bill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 Ding-ding-ding: The Bergmann 6.5 mm Model 1896 used a clip, the only pistol I know of that did. Photo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wakal Posted December 19, 2008 Share Posted December 19, 2008 I have both (stripper) clips and magazines for my Broomhandles... Alex Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted December 19, 2008 Author Share Posted December 19, 2008 Ding-ding-ding:The Bergmann 6.5 mm Model 1896 used a clip, the only pistol I know of that did. AHA!! Thanks Patrick. I KNEW I had seen one somewhere. Originally thought of the Borschart, Steyr,Mars and Broomhandle, but completely forgot the Bergmann. You want an exercise in futility, try Googling "clip fed pistol" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaG Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 Wasn't a Bergmann used in one of John Wayne's movies. It's the one where both his son's played in with him. DaG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbrowndog Posted December 21, 2008 Share Posted December 21, 2008 the movie was Big Jake, and yes a Bergman was featured in the movie. trapr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sperman Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 Ding-ding-ding:The Bergmann 6.5 mm Model 1896 used a clip, the only pistol I know of that did. Photo Please excuse my ignorance, but I would call what's shown in those pictures a magazine. Can someone explain the difference in a CLIP and a STRIPPER CLIP? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Sweeney Posted December 22, 2008 Share Posted December 22, 2008 The checkered knob is the cover plate. You hinge the plate down and forward, drop in the clip, and then swivel the plate back up. The clip has no driving spring of it's own, and the plate provides the lifting force needed. I may get a chance to play wiht one in the coming year. If I do, I'll resurrect this thread and report back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irq23 Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 Interesting thread. Anybody have a pic of the clip? All I can find are pics of Bergman-Simplex magazines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
irq23 Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 NM found one. Link Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
open17 Posted December 24, 2008 Author Share Posted December 24, 2008 Ding-ding-ding:The Bergmann 6.5 mm Model 1896 used a clip, the only pistol I know of that did. Photo Please excuse my ignorance, but I would call what's shown in those pictures a magazine. Can someone explain the difference in a CLIP and a STRIPPER CLIP? Stripper clip: Ammunition holding device used to load the firearm or magazines. Also called a charger . It does not stay with the firearm during operation. Gun can be loaded and fired without the stripper clip using loose ammunition. Clip: Ammunition holding device that is inserted--ammo and all--into the firearm. It is an essential part of the system, the firearm wil not function as a repeating arm without it. Usually the feed lips are incorporated into the clip, and the arm cannot be loaded and fired as a repeater with loose ammunition. Clips do not incorporate a follower or spring---these parts are resident to the firearm itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Modoc Posted December 24, 2008 Share Posted December 24, 2008 the movie was Big Jake, and yes a Bergman was featured in the movie.trapr The only down side was that they used a Wather p-38 dressed up as a Bergman . On the other hand, they did make it look fairly close to a real one. By the way, that link was cool Patrick. I had never really seen a real Bergman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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