paul788 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Is anyone currently using Long Colt brass and making minor pf? I'm interested in using the shorter case in a .38 spl and Comp 3 speedloaders. Last USPSA match I had several shoot four or five rounds and reload. The loaded round hung under the star twice. My theory is the shorter case will be further out of the cylinder and not cause the under the star problem again. Short Colt looks too short to work consistently with the speedloaders. But I could be wrong. Thanks Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bubber Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 paul788, I remember a discussion on this a few years back Little Data on Long Colt. Is the Star going around the rim and pulling the round back into the cylinder or just holding the round sideways under the star/ejector? I think, and I use the term loosly, most of the problems with the round being left in the cylinder is not hitting the ejector rod with sufficient force or the thumb or rebound shield hitting the base of the round stripping it from the ejector. However I have been wrong before......alot.... Hope this is helpful. Later rdd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 If a loaded round didn't fall out, you are probably not turning the gun vertical to eject. Revos are gravity in, gravity out. They don't have a recoil spring and slide to jam them in like an auto, so get it vertical down to load, and vertical up to unload. That solves the problem of cases under the extractor with any kind of brass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 I could not force a loaded 38 Special round to go in front of the star on any of my guns if I wanted to. I suspect that maybe the star has been chamfered some and or maybe the length that the extractor can travel has been modified. Sometimes people cut the spring down for the extractor to increase the stroke for ejection but the down side is you can now put a round in front of the star. I have heard that S&W had some short springs for a time as well. I have found that going from 38 Special cases to the long Colt cases just increases the likelihood that you you get one in front of the star especially if you don't go near vertical for ejection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ffl Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 LittleFFL's 38 short colt rounds even when loaded are fully ejected from the cylinder and fall clear from the cylinder even without fully inverting the gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
9146gt Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 If your gun has a recessed cylinder it is easier for the brass to get under the star. Also if your barrel is under 4" you may not have a "full " length ejector rod. Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg K Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 As far a making 125pf, it's easier to make power in the Long Colt case due to the reduced case volume. I found that it takes a little less powder for the same velocity as the Special cases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmax Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) I load 3.4 gr of Clays with a 158gr RN moly coated Bear Creek w/PF 128000. As a side note there are stars in heaven, there are stars in the sky, there is a Star of David but there ain't no stars in Smith revolvers, a phrase used by my S&W armorers instructors. There are extractors and ratchets though. Edited November 19, 2008 by jmax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S&WIowegan Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 There is no problem making minor with either Short or Long Colt brass from Starline. I load the SC with 135 gr. LRNs from Billy Bullets (sized .358") and Titegroup powder. I make major with LC Starline brass, 160 gr. Billy Bullets (.358") and Universal Clays. I shot an IPSC-style match locally with my 627 V-Comp and the LC loads in Hearthco moonclips. The recoil is a kind of sharp 'crack' and easy to control with very smooth reloads with those Billy LRNs. I plan to shoot Production with the minor loads in a 627 times 8 and L10 major with the V-comp gun (with the comp removed . Bob. A16841 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 As a side note there are stars in heaven, there are stars in the sky, there is a Star of David but there ain't no stars in Smith revolvers, a phrase used by my S&W armorers instructors. Probably the same guys who say it's not a timing problem, it's a FCU (failure to carry up). Unfortunately, the guys at S&W have been pretty much out of touch for awhile now...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmax Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 One must be precise in terms used or some slxxxy lawyer can get prickly when one testifies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paul788 Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 Thank you all for sharing. I think an order to Starline for .38 LC is in the works. Paul Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fdkay Posted November 25, 2008 Share Posted November 25, 2008 I used .38SC for 125 PF. Loaded to 9mm specs with 125 gr berrys plated bullets. I used the 38LC for major, loaded to 9x23 specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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