tomneal Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I am nearing the end of my supply of Winchester Small Rifle Primers. AND No one seems to have Winchester in stock. I use them for .40 S&W, .38 Super, and soon .223 Rem. in a Dillon 650. Is there a "BIG" difference between brands of Small Rifle Primers? I use Winchester because that was the Large Pistol Primer I started using in 1997. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 Both work great, but Federal is a bit softer. Federal uses Basic Led Styphnate rather than Lead Styphnate as the priming compound (there is a slight chemical difference between the two). It's interesting that you are finding it harder to get Winchester than Federal - it's usually the other way around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomneal Posted November 8, 2008 Author Share Posted November 8, 2008 Rob Thanks for the update. I have been searching the net (off and on) for WSR since May. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XD Niner Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I use Federal when I can't find Winchester SRPs. They work fine and yield the same PF as near as I can tell. I don't like the Federal packaging nearly as well but other than that and the color there doesn't seem to be any substantive performance difference. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scirocco38s Posted November 8, 2008 Share Posted November 8, 2008 I use federal primers whenever possible. I will use winchester and have no problem with them but prefer federal. I try to keep 80-100k of federal in stock for myself at all time and fill in with winchester if the pther isnt available. Federal is much harder to get in quantity when you need them. I have a friend who has started shooting wolf and has so far had good results with them and they are cheaper as well. Velocity wise I dont see any advantage to either but as Rob said the federals are easier to hit and most of the production shooters love them for that reason. I use the Small rifle / small magnum rifle and small magnum pistol in my open gun ammo interchagably without problem. I typiccally load my limited gun ammo with winchester and save my federals for the open gun.(that is where I like to play). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmccrock Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 No one seems to have Winchester in stock. Natchez and Wideners have WSR stock. Not cheap, but in stock. Lee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I too have used Wolf for small pistol, but would stay away from them in rifle... I had a hard time to getting proper seating with them and was left with a lot of ammo I couldn't trust. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiggerJJ Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 WSR for 223, if in a AR. Feds are too soft, can help lead to slam fire. jj Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbs007 Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 I use WSR for .223, 38 Supercomp, 9mm Major, and .40 S&W. Works out well for me and won't use anything else. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 (edited) Federal uses Basic Led Styphnate rather than Lead Styphnate as the priming compound (there is a slight chemical difference between the two). Exactly. Again: Federal primers = BASIC lead styphnate. Winchester primers = NORMAL lead styphnate (as does CCI & Remington). As for Wolf rifle primers, there's a guy named David Tubb who bought several pallets of Wolf rifle primers due to their superior quality/accuracy and he swears by them over all other brands; they say that Tubb guy knows a thing or two about shooting (though I have never met him in person). Anyone know whether Wolf is using basic or normal priming compound? Edited November 10, 2008 by Carlos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Boudrie Posted November 10, 2008 Share Posted November 10, 2008 Found on globalsecurity.org: There are two forms of lead styphnate-the normal that appears as six-sided monohydrate crystals and the basic that appears as small, rectangular crystals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Para 16 Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) Hmm.. I load a lot of 223.. and I won't use the brass colored WSR anymore. The primers are much softer then the older silver ones. If you were using the 'silver' ones, ya might try out a hundred before you find/buy a whole bunch of the WSR. Edited November 19, 2008 by Para 16 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JThompson Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 (edited) Federal uses Basic Led Styphnate rather than Lead Styphnate as the priming compound (there is a slight chemical difference between the two). Exactly. Again: Federal primers = BASIC lead styphnate. Winchester primers = NORMAL lead styphnate (as does CCI & Remington). As for Wolf rifle primers, there's a guy named David Tubb who bought several pallets of Wolf rifle primers due to their superior quality/accuracy and he swears by them over all other brands; they say that Tubb guy knows a thing or two about shooting (though I have never met him in person). Anyone know whether Wolf is using basic or normal priming compound? I never met him either... what I'm saying is that I have been using Wolf Small Rifles and was having seating problems with them. This is first hand knowledge of a recent batch. If you are going to refute something I'm saying, I would hope you have recent firsthand knowledge. I'm just trying to save some of my friends here from the problems I had. I bought them because everyone was out of Wolf Small Pistols, which I continue to use to this day. I have no issues with small pistols.... Loading in a Dillon 550 Hell, may be some Russian was having a bad day or drinking to much vodka... all I know is the batch I had sucked.. one was missing an anvil too. Edited November 19, 2008 by JThompson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
photog Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 try contacting these guys, they ship powder and primers together on one hazmat tag and hav good prices. armsandammo.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 . . Hell, may be some Russian was having a bad day or drinking to much vodka... all I know is the batch I had sucked.. one was missing an anvil too. Awesome. That one just made my day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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