20nickels Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 S&W trigger job guys, WHAT'S THIS?!? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I bought a Model 386 and everything is great except the crappy trigger, but that can usually be fixed. So I get the stones out and pull the guts out and find this. It is a raised bump on the part that contacts the cylinder stop! It sure explains the craptastic trigger. This may make sense to somebody, but not me. Must....contain... rage... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Round_Gun_Shooter Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 S&W trigger job guys, WHAT'S THIS?!? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I bought a Model 386 and everything is great except the crappy trigger, but that can usually be fixed. So I get the stones out and pull the guts out and find this. It is a raised bump on the part that contacts the cylinder stop! It sure explains the craptastic trigger. This may make sense to somebody, but not me. Must....contain... rage... never seen it but send me a PM with your address and I will send you a trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slflr Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 S&W trigger job guys, WHAT'S THIS?!? -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- So I bought a Model 386 and everything is great except the crappy trigger, but that can usually be fixed. So I get the stones out and pull the guts out and find this. It is a raised bump on the part that contacts the cylinder stop! It sure explains the craptastic trigger. This may make sense to somebody, but not me. Must....contain... rage... That is normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toolguy Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 That is on all the MIM triggers. The idea is to have a very small contact point, therfore very small friction, so it takes less force to reset the trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom E Posted October 29, 2008 Share Posted October 29, 2008 Normal MIM trigger. Less surface to misalign. Be very carefull about removing any material. Smooth with a ceramic stone. Remove much material and your cyl stop won't function correctly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20nickels Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 Okay that makes sense now. My 625JM has a forged trigger with the MIM guts, so I've never seen this before. So the crappy trigger was just that, a crappy trigger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20nickels Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 [ never seen it but send me a PM with your address and I will send you a trigger. Tks, for the offer. Now that I know that it's not just a shim added afterthought by S&W to reach the cyl stop I'm going to leave it as is. So, now that that is resolved what is your thoughts on smoothing up parts with an India stone? Are you breaking some sort of case hardening surface you should not be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Stoning the engagement surfaces inside the action is perfectly fine--the white ceramic stones work really well. Stay away from the single-action cocking notch and bevel if you intend to maintain the single-action capability. Otherwise you should be fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20nickels Posted October 30, 2008 Author Share Posted October 30, 2008 (edited) I've done it so far with two of my Smiths to good results IMHO. But I still get people telling me that It isn't advisable to stone case hardened parts and MIM parts don't lend themselves to polishing very much. So I get very knowledgeable firearms experts that I respect telling me two very different things. BTW Mike, I would like you to de-spur this When and if I find a quality thumbreak holter that accomodates that. Edited October 30, 2008 by 20nickels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 So I get very knowledgeable firearms experts that I respect telling me two very different things. Sounds like one of them is wrong, doesn't it? Seriously, the proof is in the pudding. Over the last 20 years I've done countless action jobs on revolvers with both MIM and case-hardened parts (these days the vast majority are MIM parts), and I'm here to tell you they slick up just fine with ceramic stones. My own main competition revolver, with which I've won lots of matches and made my way to Top-3 finishes at the USPSA Revolver Nationals in 2006, 2007, and 2008, is a plain old 625 with its original MIM guts, which of course I stoned nice and smooth when I put it into competition service in late 2004. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Countless? Come on Mike...I'll bet you can count really high. My money is on lack of record keeping or poor/selective memory. Then again...you probably get lost somewhere around 6. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Yeah, I don't know what the number is, but I'm pretty sure it's greater than than 6. (I didn't go to law school because I'm good at math, y'know.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted October 30, 2008 Share Posted October 30, 2008 Yeah, I don't know what the number is, but I'm pretty sure it's greater than than 6. (I didn't go to law school because I'm good at math, y'know.) Except when it comes to billing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carmoney Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Yeah, I don't know what the number is, but I'm pretty sure it's greater than than 6. (I didn't go to law school because I'm good at math, y'know.) Except when it comes to billing. I do know it took me .1 hours to post this reply. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Revopop Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Rounded up to 3 billable hours, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 (edited) Rounded up to 3 billable hours, right? Thanks, I could think of an answer. PERFECT! That's enough Carmony bashing - for now anyway. Let's get back to the question at hand. Edited October 31, 2008 by RePete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
20nickels Posted October 31, 2008 Author Share Posted October 31, 2008 Enough Carmony bashing? That's like saying you have too much beer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RePete Posted October 31, 2008 Share Posted October 31, 2008 Enough Carmony bashing? That's like saying you have too much beer. I did say for now anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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