harley45 Posted July 16, 2003 Share Posted July 16, 2003 I've got a Dillon square deal that I just started reloading on for my .45 and was wondering if anyone had any comments as to weather or not if I use this die in my old single stage press after I load on my dillon will it make a difference? I am having some ftf with my reloads from guns that are 100 percent with factory Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokarev Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 I use one for .40 and one for .45 and have been pleased with them. They work well when loading cast bullets and can help with variation in case thickness. I think you should give one a try. Just don't try using it in a Dillon press! The two products may interact and give off poisonous gas! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 I use Lee Factory Crimping Dies for .38 and .44, which are roll crimps, and for 45ACP, which is taper crimp. These dies resize the cartride as it exits the crimping die and I am very pleased with their performance. If you are going to use the FCD in a separate press then make sure that you don't crimp in the Dillon press or you'll end up double crimping. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Run n Gun Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 There's also another thread on this: http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...t=ST&f=4&t=5882 Ed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-44978 Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 i use one in my 650,once you vent all that poisonus gas out of the shop it works better than anything ive used yet I've got over 30k through mine with 5k of them using the lee fcd i also use the lee decap-resize die and yes i do double crimp with no problems.I now wish i had all the a-merc brass i got rid of! i ran a few 357sig casses through and they shot just fine in their new life as a 40 case! Ya gotta check out some of the cool mods these guys have dreamed up in the reloading section.I've used a few and love em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley45 Posted July 17, 2003 Author Share Posted July 17, 2003 I hadn't thought of the double crimp issue so far we've had one vote for not double crimping and one vote to double crimp. any more thoughts on this is it a safety issue? I probably should try this in my 9x23 also so you suppose the lee 9mm die will work on my winchester cases? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 I have used it since I started loading .40 for competition (approx. 30K rounds). Since I reload on a Lee Pro-1000 (Ok, I know all the Dillon talks stuff, but here in Italy they are really expensive: about 4 times my Lee; maybe in the future I could order a 650 from BE, I saw the prices are really nice) that has only 3 stations, I usually FCD my rounds on a second single-stage press. My setup is: seat the bullet and eliminate the brass belly with the seating and crimping die (actually no crimp in this stage), then switch all loads to the FCD where I crimp them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tokarev Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 I think the Pro 1000 is a good little press. Especially for the money. If Lee can update/redesign it to a four position press I may get another one. I don't shoot much .45 anymore and would get a Pro 1000 in .45 just for that cartridge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Tokarev, I contacted Lee precision to know if the 4-hole new turret of the Lee Turret press will ever be available on the Pro-1000, but the answer was they have no plans for it, because if you need a 4 or 5 stations press you can upgrade to a Load Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlos Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Well, lets not call it "double crimp" but rather, "progressive crimp" (how's that for political correctness??!?). Anyway, I do this on 9 Supercomp though without the FCD. Why? I load Supercomp/9x23 with 115 Montana bullets and V V N-105 powder - which requires a compressed charge of this very slow powder. Problem was, I would seat the bullet on one station and by the next stage, the crimp stage, the OAL had changed! I almost gave up on N105. Then I found an old RCBS 9mm combo seat & crimp die I had laying around. I ordinarily do not like these type of dies because they are hard to set up, hard to change OAL on and I believe inconsistent. However, I was able to fiddle w/ the thing enough to put enough crimp on the case to keep the OAL where I wanted it - at least temporarily. Last stage is now a real crimp die (the Dillon 9mm crimp die w/ the excellent bell on it) for a real firm crimp - sadly my compressed loads need a more healthy crimp to prevent OAL "growth" over time. I do not see a problem w/ "double crimp". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBF Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 FCD = good As for crimping in two stages, it's the total amount of crimp that matters, not the number of dies required to get the job done. Excessive crimp = bad just my .o2 Travis F. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbear38S Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Doesn't the Square Deal use proprietary dies? If so, the Lee FCD won't fit. The Dillon crimp die makes a nicer crimp anyway, IMO. The Lee FCD is useful for high pressure cases like .40 S&W and .38 Super where you want the extra sizing ring at the bottom of the Lee FCD to take out feed ramp bulge that may be lower than the Dillon sizing die can get to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley45 Posted July 17, 2003 Author Share Posted July 17, 2003 You are right the Dillon sdb won't take the lee die so my plan is to use the fcd on my old single stage press. I really think I'll see more benefits with my 9x23 gun, than my .45 but I still need to know if the 9mm fcd will work with winchester 9x23 brass? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted July 17, 2003 Share Posted July 17, 2003 Harley, The Lee website doesn't list a Factory Crimping die for 9mm: http://www.leeprecision.com/catalog/textca...ORY=Pistol+Dies You could email them with your question at info@leeprecision.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harley45 Posted July 18, 2003 Author Share Posted July 18, 2003 They do make it in 9mm I see it in my new midway catalog and since I use standard 9mm dies to load 9x23 I was thinking it should work also just wanted to see if anybody had actually tried it!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skywalker Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 Harley45, a Lee FCD for 9 mm (9x19, 9x21) is already available, I use it when reloading my 9x21 ammo. Lee website lists it as #90860 (here). I gave a peek at case dimensions (here) and I'm quite confident that a Lee FCD for 9 mm Luger will work for 9x23 (or 9 SuperComp): the only difference in brass seems to be a slightly smaller (.002") base and rim diameter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Julien Boit Posted July 18, 2003 Share Posted July 18, 2003 FCD is GOOD ! I use it for all the pistol calibers I shoot, 40sw, 38 super and 9 luger. I discovered it when I was shooting BUL M5s with theirs tight chamber compared to my previous gun (a G35) . I had trouble at the beginning, before I put a FCD on my press. After, all worked good ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
George D Posted July 19, 2003 Share Posted July 19, 2003 Hmm, I stand corrected. Curious that the Lee website should list the 9mm die on one page but not on the page which was found via their search facility. It appears that Skywalker67 has provided your answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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