HSMITH Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I have an open gun that I will be finishing in the next few weeks and was wondering what type and size screws most are running. It will be getting a C-More Serendipity on it, and I am thinking Torx screws might be the best bet. Any feedback? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Keen Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 I've been wondering about torx screws lately too. They dont strip as easily as allen screws do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wide45 Posted January 21, 2007 Share Posted January 21, 2007 Isn't the problem with the serendipity, overtorqueing the screws, and cracking the plastic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpnBlstr Posted January 22, 2007 Share Posted January 22, 2007 I have an open gun that I will be finishing in the next few weeks and was wondering what type and size screws most are running. It will be getting a C-More Serendipity on it, and I am thinking Torx screws might be the best bet. Any feedback? I use the Torx head screws from Bob at Brazos Custom. With Loctite you really don't have to apply that much torque - especially important with the Serendipity. Bob's screws are 5-40 like those that C-More supplies. Don't over do the Serendipity screws - touch down and then maybe 1/16 turn more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted January 24, 2007 Author Share Posted January 24, 2007 Thanks Guys, this is exactly what I was looking for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeShot Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I'm curious why you chose the serendipity? Besides the obvious (not having to buy a separate scope mount), is there any other benefit to using the serendipity versus the slide ride? Darren Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XRe Posted January 24, 2007 Share Posted January 24, 2007 +1 to "just snug 'em up" on the Serendipity mount (I use that mount, as well). I used C-More provided screws w/ mine, but I was extremely careful about not stripping the Allen heads - I'm apparently a gorilla and have stripped my share of Allens... Next time I swap scopes, I might order some torx head screws from Bob - sounds like a good idea.... Darren - I think its just a personal preference thing, in my case. Its a little bit lighter than having an aluminum mount on the gun. I notice a difference in dot movement on guns w/ Al mounts, too - I haven't spent a lot of time to determine if that's just me, or if there's really a difference... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted January 25, 2007 Author Share Posted January 25, 2007 Darren, I picked up a new Serendipity for $150 shipped, that is the only reason I am using it. I have zero open gun experience, and figured it would be just fine to start. If I don't like it there are several mounts that use the Serendipity hole pattern. Holes are drilled, sight is mounted, gun will hopefully hit the range tomorrow. Thanks all for the insight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeShot Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Where can I get one at this price?!? Darren, I picked up a new Serendipity for $150 shipped, that is the only reason I am using it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted January 25, 2007 Share Posted January 25, 2007 Darren, I picked up a new Serendipity for $150 shipped, that is the only reason I am using it. I have zero open gun experience, and figured it would be just fine to start. If I don't like it there are several mounts that use the Serendipity hole pattern. Holes are drilled, sight is mounted, gun will hopefully hit the range tomorrow. Thanks all for the insight! Which mounts fit the Serendipity hole pattern? Thanks, Keith Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSMITH Posted January 26, 2007 Author Share Posted January 26, 2007 ES, I bought it off the classified ads right here on BE. Kieth, as far as I know Grams, EGW, and Dawson make them. There might be more that I am not aware of. The only real downside I can see is having 3 holes in the side of the dustcover exposed if I went with a single sided mount, but I intend to work through that before the gun is chromed so filling the 3 holes won't be a big deal if I need to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessej Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I would think the only advantages to a C-more Serendipity would be the slight weight reduction and a low mount. But all you guys/gals know, just shoot and all will be availed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Man Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 I would think the only advantages to a C-more Serendipity would be the slight weight reduction and a low mount. But all you guys/gals know, just shoot and all will be availed. Nope. If I had used a Serendipity my C_MORE would sit a full .250" closer to the barrel. And I wouldn't have three more fasteners to come lose. (There is more to my story but to keep it short I need a new frame to correct everything. ) Stay with the Serendipity. FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeShot Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 (edited) Which scope mount are you using that you are unhappy with? Nope. If I had used a Serendipity my C_MORE would sit a full .250" closer to the barrel. And I wouldn't have three more fasteners to come lose. (There is more to my story but to keep it short I need a new frame to correct everything. ) Stay with the Serendipity. FM Edited January 26, 2007 by ExtremeShot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VinceU1 Posted January 26, 2007 Share Posted January 26, 2007 The only real downside I can see is having 3 holes in the side of the dustcover exposed if I went with a single sided mount, but I intend to work through that before the gun is chromed so filling the 3 holes won't be a big deal if I need to. If you're worried about the three empty holes, buy some hole plugs from Brownells. They don't cost much and look pretty good. Vince Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Man Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 (edited) Which scope mount are you using that you are unhappy with? Nope. If I had used a Serendipity my C_MORE would sit a full .250" closer to the barrel. And I wouldn't have three more fasteners to come lose. (There is more to my story but to keep it short I need a new frame to correct everything. ) Stay with the Serendipity. FM I'm not naming names because the mount itself is fine. (Except I had to tap the holes over sized to get some decent torque.) (The redrilling and taping of the frame compromised the frame.) But why in the world would anyone want three more fastners to come loose? (Guess they look cool and the builder has another part (>$) to add to the bill.) It's like a Japanese MX bike in the 80's; they had brackets for the brackets! (Like expansion chamber brackets.) I'm just PO'd because I need a new frame to correct everything. FM Edited January 27, 2007 by Front Man Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeShot Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Unless I am mistaken, the Serendipty has 3 holes on each side. That's 6 holes total. From my count, the Serendipity doesn't have any less holes than any of the other mounts of seen. ....they're just spread to two sides. Regarding loose screws, that's what Loctite is for. DM But why in the world would anyone want three more fastners to come loose? (Guess they look cool and the builder has another part (>$) to add to the bill.) It's like a Japanese MX bike in the 80's; they had brackets for the brackets! (Like expansion chamber brackets.) I'm just PO'd because I need a new frame to correct everything. FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpnBlstr Posted January 27, 2007 Share Posted January 27, 2007 Which mounts fit the Serendipity hole pattern?Thanks, Keith Almost everyone's one sided mounts fit the C-More pattern. Brazos and Dawson mounts are "C-More +2" pattern meaning that the C-More is three holes 0.75" on center. The one-sided mounts place a hole between the C-More pattern holes making it five holes 0.375" on center. You should be able to remove the Serendipity and put a one-sided mount directly on the frame by just drilling/tapping the two extra holes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kmca Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Almost everyone's one sided mounts fit the C-More pattern. Brazos and Dawson mounts are "C-More +2" pattern meaning that the C-More is three holes 0.75" on center. The one-sided mounts place a hole between the C-More pattern holes making it five holes 0.375" on center.You should be able to remove the Serendipity and put a one-sided mount directly on the frame by just drilling/tapping the two extra holes. Thanks for the answer, but I was hoping to use just the existing holes and mount a tube type red dot instead. I guess I could get a blank Weigand mount and drill it myself...or I could just hang in and try to get used to the C-More. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Man Posted January 28, 2007 Share Posted January 28, 2007 Unless I am mistaken, the Serendipty has 3 holes on each side. That's 6 holes total. From my count, the Serendipity doesn't have any less holes than any of the other mounts of seen. ....they're just spread to two sides. Regarding loose screws, that's what Loctite is for. DM It's not three more fasteners to the frame of the weapon; it is that there are three more fasteners to mount the C-MORE (Slide Ride?) to the mount. (Those are the ones that become loose if you over lube your Blaster.) Brackets for brackets. And brackets become loose sooner than you want. FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtremeShot Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 Ah. Thanks for the clarification. I'll have to talk with my tool and die maker buddy and see if there's a better solution. DM It's not three more fasteners to the frame of the weapon; it is that there are three more fasteners to mount the C-MORE (Slide Ride?) to the mount.(Those are the ones that become loose if you over lube your Blaster.) Brackets for brackets. And brackets become loose sooner than you want. FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GentlemanJim Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 You could have your frame tig welded and re drilled. Jim Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Man Posted January 29, 2007 Share Posted January 29, 2007 It's too late. The original configuration was with A Wiegand mount and PDP3. Instead of having the original builder make the conversion and doing it right I gave to our local guy. So, the frame is already swiss cheese and there is even a crack in the dust cover now. KEEP IT SIMPLE (with a) SERENDIPITY JMHO FM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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