Steve Anderson Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Yesterday morning. Beretta e1 w/ docter sight, prod. holster, 2 Cs rest As. (time to buy that REAL open gun...this dot stuff is GREAT.) I'll post the exact breaks later, but the draw was 1.2ish, the reload was 1.2 ish, splits and breaks similar in the .2s. Ran a 4.78 right before, got pumped, relaxed and then smoked that one. I've been doing 50-75 dry fire el prez's a night with a 5.5 par time for about a week. Best with reg sights was 5.3 with 3 Cs. Need to work a little harder still. Don't like those Cs. I also def. need a comp or porting to calm that dot down. Practicing, SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Way to go Steve...sounds like I need to fire up my press and run off some Super Comp rounds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twix Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 Wow (eyes popping out)! Dry fire El prez's, eh?Hmmm... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDean Posted October 11, 2002 Share Posted October 11, 2002 I ran a 5.19 last weekend......but those 2 mikes hurt! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted October 12, 2002 Author Share Posted October 12, 2002 The inspiration for this was Sevigny's el prez at the FGNs. He won the stage with a 5.3 a few points down. So I made that my goal, and reached it in 2 weeks. On demand? probly not yet. Potential? Oh Yeah! SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 Excellent... time to see what i can do with my beretta tomorrow.. may run it with my para too.. just for giggles, seems in the past few weeks the elprez drill has had a lot of thought by me. lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twix Posted October 13, 2002 Share Posted October 13, 2002 3QT ran a 6.00 EP today, 7 A's, 5 C's. Took him 2.03 for his first shot or he could have easily been in the 5's. Followed it up with a 6.03. I was impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted October 14, 2002 Author Share Posted October 14, 2002 It's all in the turn. The right turn should only be a tenth or so slower than the normal draw at 10 yds. I would suggest 50-100 dry turn and draws a night to a sight picture. No trigger pull. set the par time to .9 or 1.00 and get there. It works. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3quartertime Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Thanks Twix!!! Its a baby step for most here but a big improvement for me. Now to break 5 seconds. Whoo hoo!!! Steve, thanks for the advise again!!! My average 'A' hit draw is 1.2 or so, My average El Prez is in the 1.6/1.7 area. Not sure what happen on the two second one, but I think because I noticed my slow draw and turn I burned out the rest. My reload was 1.5, my fastest so far!!! Usually I hit 1.7 or so on reloads. My splits are ok but I need to shave about .10 off my transitions. Guess theres something to pushing yourself in practice!!! I'll try your dry fire idea. With my average El Prez draw times the first run would have been in the 5.7 range. It would be cool to do one clean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 3qt, try this next time you practice the turning draw... At the beep, get your hand on the gun before you turn. (You have to be careful not to draw it before turning though, so maybe this is something you should practice unloaded first.) Then, work on turning only your head to the targets as your hand grips your gun. Once you've got those down it'll all kind of work itself out. Establishing your grip early is necessary to avoid flailing around for the gun as it moves about on your hip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3quartertime Posted October 14, 2002 Share Posted October 14, 2002 Thanks Erik, Twix always harps on me to get my head around faster, but maybe not as quick as that. I'll try that. Reading your post makes me think how important dry fire is. You used the words 'flailing around'. I have shot literally tens of thousands of rounds with just that feeling. I feel like I'm just starting to realize how benefitial dry practice is. Great comment. I am constantly amazed at how this forum makes me sit back and think. Thanks posters!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBam Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 I have been playing around with the idea of looking at the gun on the draw when you start facing uprange. I figure you can't see the targets anyhow. This way, you can immediately start turning and still grab the gun correctly since you are looking right at it. Might beat both the 'quick head turn first' and the 'grab the gun first' methods. In theory at least. I haven't played with it enough to be sure. Try it out and let me know if you think this idea has any merit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 With me, I have a really hard time whipping my head around to find the target. Usually I just see the target as soon as my left foot plants after the turn. Usually I can get just under a second with an A at 7 yards. If I try to whip my head around, it just throws me off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ErikW Posted October 15, 2002 Share Posted October 15, 2002 T.I.S., then don't whip it, smooth it out. Sometimes slower is faster. 3qt, rule #1 is Get Thee to Thy Shooting, but to get there you have to do rule #.5, Get Thee's Hand on Thy Gun. Unless you have to deal with some prop, the first thing to do is to grip the gun. Even if you are going to run without drawing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3quartertime Posted October 16, 2002 Share Posted October 16, 2002 Erik, thee will remember the rules. BamBam, I was trying the look at the gun thing last night. I think I like it. I'll try it in live fire today!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3quartertime Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 BamBam, tried the look thing today. I like it. It felt cleaner that way. I only did it about 6 times but I consistantly cut .20 off my turn and draw. Thanks. Of course I was blowing my reloads all day. Still hovering around the 6 second area. Oh well, got the winter for dry fires!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBam Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 3/4time - put a clock on it and give us a report back on its effectiveness. Its just a theory right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Moneypenny Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 yet ANOTHER reason to shoot.. as soon as my new holster arrives i will be trying it. ... if i can wait that long!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted October 17, 2002 Author Share Posted October 17, 2002 Here's a question for us... Will we seek to shoot all A's then whittle the time down, or will we focus on hit factor and speed? Pros and cons? SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flexmoney Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 My goal is to make 100% on this sucker...which would likely mean A hits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
titandriver Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Not so Flex --- I shot a 100% on this a couple years back (with my G-20). It was seven points down in 4.57. Not certain whether it was on the low end of 100%, in the middle, or on the high end. I did shoot a 3.90 with my Open gun a few months back and dropped only two points (in practice). I followed it up with a 4.01 and had two misses and only one "A"! Ain't been anywhere close since --- typically in the very high fours. Oh well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted October 17, 2002 Author Share Posted October 17, 2002 I plan to work on it two ways. One similar to the breakout drill where I set a par of 5.5 - 6 and shoot all a's. Then just W.F.O for speed. Two mindsets, two drills. I'll chart the progress and see what happens. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamBam Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Lets hurry with that live fire feedback! I have to shoot El-Prez as a classifier this weekend and I have only Friday night to dryfire practice. So I need a good example of an 80% benchmark to set as "par". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake Di Vita Posted October 17, 2002 Share Posted October 17, 2002 Depending on what you're shooting, if you can do it in under 6 with mostly A's, you'll have a pretty decent score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Anderson Posted October 17, 2002 Author Share Posted October 17, 2002 Shooting for score, you MUST watch the gun closely and call a-zones as fast as you see them. The draw and reload are the places to hurry. Get a 1.2 draw and 1.2 reload and A's and you'll be in good shape. SA Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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