grottulf Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 I'm thinking of buying a new rifle for IPSC mini-rifle competition.The S&W M&P 15-22 cost nearly the same as a Nordic components RB-22 upper here.And I'm not sure what route to take... If I buy the NC upper, I could use the lower from my NEA-15, wich has a really great JP trigger kit. But on the other hand, a complete weapon is always nice to have... Are there any differences in reliability? Is one faster to shoot than the other? Is the trigger/hammer in the S&W compatible with all AR triggers? I know that the S&W is lighter, but I'm not sure if I consider that a disadvantage or not... Skickat från min SM-G950F via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DesertTortoise Posted December 28, 2019 Share Posted December 28, 2019 No experience with the Nordic upper, but the S&W 15/22 does take any AR trigger. The S&W magazines work well and are cheap (over here). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming the Merciless Posted December 29, 2019 Share Posted December 29, 2019 (edited) Yes, No, and Maybe. Yes, the 15-22 is more reliable than the Nordic. Mostly because of the better magazines. No, the 15-22 is not compatible with ALL AR triggers, it will work with MOST, but like the Nordic and most other .22 AR, the firing pin is just a little bit higher than in a centerfire bolt and not all hammers will hit the firing pin. Maybe, the Nordic may work with your JP trigger. I have not run a JP trigger with my Nordic. I have run Jard, Geissele SSA, & Hiperfire 24C in my Nordic upper. The 15-22 is considerably lighter so you may be able to transition a little quicker, but the trade off is less stability for longer off-hand shots, so again maybe? If you go with the Nordic, if you can buy a Better Mag adapter in Sweden, get one. It lets you run the better 15-22 magazines and has a functioning LRBHO. The Black Dog magazines used by the Nordic and most other .22 AR do not activate the bolt stop. Instead the bolt is held open when it hits the empty magazine follower and the bolt drops to battery when the magazine is removed. Oops, my bad! I have the Better Mag Adapter in my both of my CMMG type .22 AR. I don't have one in the Nordic, which leads me to the question of why there isn't one? It may or may not work, but I don't recall if I've tried it. They say as you get older the first two things to go are your memory and something else??? Edited December 29, 2019 by Ming the Merciless Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grottulf Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 Yes, No, and Maybe. Yes, the 15-22 is more reliable than the Nordic. Mostly because of the better magazines. No, the 15-22 is not compatible with ALL AR triggers, it will work with MOST, but like the Nordic and most other .22 AR, the firing pin is just a little bit higher than in a centerfire bolt and not all hammers will hit the firing pin. Maybe, the Nordic may work with your JP trigger. I have not run a JP trigger with my Nordic. I have run Jard, Geissele SSA, & Hiperfire 24C in my Nordic upper. The 15-22 is considerably lighter so you may be able to transition a little quicker, but the trade off is less stability for longer off-hand shots, so again maybe? If you go with the Nordic, if you can buy a Better Mag adapter in Sweden, get one. It lets you run the better 15-22 magazines and has a functioning LRBHO. The Black Dog magazines used by the Nordic and most other .22 AR do not activate the bolt stop. Instead the bolt is held open when it hits the empty magazine follower and the bolt drops to battery when the magazine is removed. Oops, my bad! I have the Better Mag Adapter in my both of my CMMG type .22 AR. I don't have one in the Nordic, which leads me to the question of why there isn't one? It may or may not work, but I don't recall if I've tried it. They say as you get older the first two things to go are your memory and something else???Thanks for all the input!I think I read somewhere that the better mag adapter needed som modification for LRBHO to work with the NC upper.In my research I've also found that my BAD-lever wont work with the NC upper.So if I go that route, I'll probably remove that lever completely.I mostly use it to lock the action open when "showing clear " to the RO anyway, and I could just hold the charging handle while showing it instead.And I think I can live without LRBHO. If I've shot a mag empty I've one something wrong anyway...[emoji849]It would be nice if I could use my lower just as it is.But it sounds like I would need that adapter anyway, for the gun to be reliable...?I'm planning on going to a local dealer to look at the S&W next week.None of the local dealers seems to have the NC upper in stock though.But I'd love to hear more input from you guys as well!Skickat från min SM-G950F via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grottulf Posted December 29, 2019 Author Share Posted December 29, 2019 Here's the post about modifying the better mag adapter:https://forums.brianenos.com/topic/223240-nordic-components-3rd-gen-22-lr-uppers-are-in-stock/?do=findComment&comment=2809017Skickat från min SM-G950F via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grottulf Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 I went to the dealer to look at a 15-22 today.My first impression was that the standard version is really light!He also had the performance center version, I liked the weight and balance on that one alot better.But I'm having a hard time wrapping my head around the price difference. The PC version costed 67% more [emoji15] (roughly $1170 vs $700)I don't think the trigger was that much better. The standard trigger was actually quite ok.Are there other differences I should be aware of, other than the trigger and the barrel?How much better is the precision in the PC version?Other than that, I really liked the simplicity of the construction.I liked how it's easy to take apart and clean.Not that I do that very often...[emoji849]And I'm not discouraged by the polymer chassi.I shoot glocks after all He happened to have a Hämmerli TAC R1 22 in stock as well. So I took a look at that one as well, while I was there.The initial impression was that it felt more "solid", but that feeling faded fast when I inspected it closer. The internals looks like pot metal, and it looked more like a soft air gun, than a real gun.It even made my GSG-522 feel like a high end rifle[emoji15].Skickat från min SM-G950F via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grottulf Posted December 30, 2019 Author Share Posted December 30, 2019 The specs on S&W:s homepage says that the PC version is only 30g (1.1 oz) heavier.Can that really be correct?I'm having a hard time believing that could have made such a difference in balance...But if it is true, I guess a wheel weight inside the handguard would do the trick... [emoji848]Skickat från min SM-G950F via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolan Posted December 30, 2019 Share Posted December 30, 2019 Save your money, the PC version isn't worth the extra cost. It has a 'slightly' tighter chamber and slightly different furniture. I couldn't tell the difference between the triggers on the ones I've shot. The Umarex/Walther/Hammerli TAC R1 .22 AR is not a true AR, almost no parts interchange. There are a whole series of these look-alike rifles constructed like an airsoft rifle, with an aluminum body that looks like a AR/UZI/Sig/HK/M16/M4/whatever, with a Zamac pot metal cartridge inside that contains the trigger, and bolt. The small diameter steel barrel fits inside the look-alike barrel and is tensioned by the flash hider. They were originally made to be sold in countries that don't allow military weapons or guns that contain military weapon parts. Nolan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hunt4food Posted December 31, 2019 Share Posted December 31, 2019 15-22 I shoot all the time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grottulf Posted December 31, 2019 Author Share Posted December 31, 2019 I just asked him to reserve the MOE 15-22 for me [emoji16] Now I just have to renew my shooting test, wait for my club to vouch for me, and then after 1-2 months hopefully get a license for it before I can take it home...[emoji2959]Skickat från min SM-G950F via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grottulf Posted January 3, 2020 Author Share Posted January 3, 2020 I haven't got the rifle yet, but I'm already thinking about updates [emoji16]. I liked the stock handguard, but the fact that it isn't free floating doesn't feel right... But the question is, does it really matter in a rifle lile this? On a side note, what where they thinking when they decided to sell it with the Magpul MOE SL grip...?The radius between the grip and the stock isn't even close to that of an AR [emoji15] Skickat från min SM-G950F via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ming the Merciless Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 Grottulf, go over to the Rimfire Central forum. They have a section just for the M&P 15-22 with lots of good information. It's easy to free float the handguard, but it does require some different techniques than a regular AR. To remove the flash hider, you have to grip the barrel because if you clamp the upper receiver, the barrel will spin in the poly receiver and ruin it. https://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=305 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
36873687 Posted January 4, 2020 Share Posted January 4, 2020 I fixed this up for my daughter to shoot steel challenge with. Got elf man trigger it is drop in. But u do have to play with firing pin spring weight buy clipping coils. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DBTN Posted January 5, 2020 Share Posted January 5, 2020 I had a S&W 15-22 then I got the Nordic. Sold the 15-22. For me the Nordic has been just as reliable but has proven to be more accurate and for me more shootable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grottulf Posted January 5, 2020 Author Share Posted January 5, 2020 It seems popular with drop in triggers for these.I assume it's because of the polymer lower?Skickat från min SM-G950F via Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now