The Two-second Rule

[ErikW]

Whenever I burn down a large/long field course with my best possible speed performance, my time is always about two seconds from that of the big dogs. It's uncanny. It sometimes even happens on shorter courses, where I have a good overall placement but it's still two seconds off. The rule generally does not apply to stages with little or no movement.

1 Taran Butler 123 GM Limited 138 0 17.61 7.8365 150.0000 100.00%

5 Erik Warren 64 M Limited 138 10 19.44 6.5844 126.0333 84.02%

1 ESTUARDO GOMEZ 501 M Limited 103 0 12.00 8.5833 110.0000 100.00%

14 ERIK WARREN 265 M Limited 97 0 13.50 7.1852 92.0825 83.71%

1 ROBERT LEATHAM 294 GM Limited 57 0 9.02 6.3193 60.0000 100.00%

8 ERIK WARREN 265 M Limited 60 0 11.05 5.4299 51.5554 85.93%

1 ESTUARDO GOMEZ 501 M Limited 114 0 12.36 9.2233 120.0000 100.00%

18 ERIK WARREN 265 M Limited 115 0 15.04 7.6463 99.4824 82.90%

1 TARAN BUTLER 293 GM Limited 63 0 6.47 9.7372 70.0000 100.00%

15 ERIK WARREN 265 M Limited 70 0 9.09 7.7008 55.3605 79.09%

1 Emanuel Bragg 172 GM Limited 58 0 5.84 9.9315 60.0000 100.00%

10 Erik Warren 98 M Limited 59 0 7.36 8.0163 48.4295 80.72%

[kevin c]

So, how are they moving that's different from how you're moving?

(from someone who's generally 5 to 10 seconds slower than YOU )

[Ben Stoeger]

I have noticed this same gap between so many like Eric and the Big Dawgs. I guess thats why they are big dawgs....

[mcoliver]

Next time setup a video. Shoot your run and theirs and compare. Sometimes it's the little things they don't do but you did that add up. If it's short courses, I'd hazard a guess they're shooting a bit earlier than you coming into positions.

[BritinUSA]

Slight thread drifting;

One of the cool things they did at the last Winter Olympics was to show the downhill skiing with an image of the winning skiier overlaid onto the current racer. By showing them side by side it was easy to see how the winner moved ahead, it was tiny improvements, a slightly tighter turn, less drag on edges of the skis, etc..

By the end of the race the overlaid skiier was ahead by about 1 second, which equates to about 4-5 yards.

It's probably the same with the shooting, it will be tiny improvements, it may not even be possible to see them without a side by side comparison.

This is why new shooters progress so quickly to a plateau. By learning the basics they get higher and higher scores, but to break into the very top of the game will require minute adjustments, a slightly different foot placement, slightly quicker focus as you pick up the sights onto the target, etc...

Good luck with your quest; but I suggest you invest in some good movie software for your PC to really see the differences.

[Jake Di Vita]

It's also interesting to do that with multiple shooters.

Usually the top dogs will beat you in different places than the other top dogs will.

Pretty interesting.

[short_round]

... I thought you were adding a supplemental to the 5 second rule which is how long a piece of dropped food can stay on the floor and still be edible.

[mcoliver]

... I thought you were adding a supplemental to the 5 second rule which is how long a piece of dropped food can stay on the floor and still be edible.

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Dang! There's a time limit for that? I always thought you can pick it up anytime as long as nobody's looking.

[dirtypool40]

I think it's a combination of little things, and you can't make it up in any one area. That's why our game is so enticing, you have to have all the little pieces.

Could be the little things adding up, like the skier analogy; .1 on the draw, .1 reload, a few .05's on transitions, and some .2 or .3's on moving into or out of positions and there's your 2 seconds. Don't worry, I feel the same way.

All that being said, I am working on my movement right now, as I know it sux, and there are lots of .2-.7's there, and they add up quicker than .1 on the draw.

[GuildSF4]

I think it's a combination of little things, and you can't make it up in any one area.  That's why our game is so enticing, you have to have all the little pieces.

Could be the little things adding up, like the skier analogy; .1 on the draw, .1 reload, a few .05's on transitions, and some .2 or .3's on moving into or out of positions and there's your 2 seconds.  Don't worry, I feel the same way.

All that being said, I am working on my movement right now, as I know it sux, and there are lots of .2-.7's there, and they add up quicker than .1 on the draw.

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Stop, you're makin my head hurt. I have too much to work on now.

I have noticed the same thing (longer time difference though) and have to work on a lot of things now.

[Cameron]

Slight of hand trick. The top dawgs have their own timers up their sleeves. Before anyone notices, they slip a "modified" timer into the RO's hands

[outerlimits]

i, too, have studied that phenomena...turns out it's the amount of beer consumed while cleaning guns in the hotel room-these guys don't drink....

[vincent]

Sooo many little things:

0.1 on the draw,

0.1 transition here and again there,

0.2 by having the gun up and ready going into a port,

0.2 having the confidence to take that touch shot and immediately leave the position without confirming the shot,

etc.

Most of these guys also practice every day - that's got to help.

Finally I think they are able to maintain a high level of intensity throughout the entire stage which is difficult to do when there is a lot of movement and your shooting flow gets broken up into segments by the physical work.